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'I Care About Little Kids Dying': Ocasio-Cortez Hits Back at Fetterman Over Gaza (www.commondreams.org)

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[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 161 points 4 weeks ago

"The tragedy in Gaza is 100% on Hamas," Fetterman wrote on social media with a screengrab of a Hill headline outlining Ocasio-Cortez's remarks. "Stop using civilians and hospitals as shields, surrender, and release all remaining hostages—and this ends."

What a dismissive piece of shit.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 78 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

You think CTE causes people to become assholes?

A stroke like Fetterman's often produces even larger personality changes. Sometimes it's for the better, but often it tends to effect the forebrain where things like empathy and critical thinking happen. If it gets other parts in the hind brain that's where you get the other stereotypical stroke symptoms of slurring speech and poor muscle control.

Fettermen wasn't perfect, but he wasn't this huge of an asshole before the stroke

It doesn't excuse any of his shit behavior either. I just always think "why" is an important question when talking about someone's behavior. Ironically enough when it happened Republicans called for him to resign and Dems blindly defended him. After the personality changes he's Republicans favorite Dem and most of his own party hates him.

I wouldn't be surprised if he runs as a Republican next election.

Edit:

Guess I should have "more of an asshole".

[-] quixotic120@lemmy.world 41 points 4 weeks ago

I think it probably has a lot more to do with the fact that pro Israel pacs gave him 250k. You’re just viewing the corruption in realtime

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

He was openly zionist before he was elected, we all just looked the other way or coped with "Well zionism is the default stance in America, he seems like a decent person, so when he actually learns, he'll change his mind".

Only the way he is expressing his view can be attributed to the stroke.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, I never heard of that and I was paying attention during that time.

He kind of just came out of nowhere and everyone loved him because he wore hoodies?

I remember he was on Colbert once talking about it, and he just immediately rubbed me as an asshole, but that was probably 2023, a year or so post stroke.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

He kind of just came out of nowhere and everyone loved him because he wore hoodies?

He was doing a lot of things that signaled to the left that he was on our side, talking about unions, healthcare as a human right, prison reform, banning politicians from owning stock, dude's twitter background was even a hammer and sickle Fox News had branded him with for awhile.

Hexbear, cursed with Casandra Syndrome, saw what he was even before the primary, but still hoped for a berniecrat.

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[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 14 points 4 weeks ago

The man got 250K from pro-Israel lobbyists. He's in a position of authority and is being paid to endorse a specific viewpoint that is in direct violation of US and international humanitarian law. I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

It's not the benefit of the doubt.

If a stroke changes you it changes you. If it makes you an asshole, it's not just ok to be an asshole.

Every other asshole also has a reason to be an asshole, recency doesn't matter.

But I legitimately don't know if he took AIPAC money in the primary before the stroke. If he did, then yeah, he was already an asshole before the stroke. Doesn't mean a stroke couldn't make him a more blatant asshole. Lack of impulse control is also a common symptom, people lose their filter and that's rarely a positive thing.

It's not excusing it, but we need to understand it so we learn how to deal with it and hopefully prevent the next person from being an asshole.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 5 points 4 weeks ago

The man is able to connect the dots of receiving lobbying money and advocating for a certain position. He should be able to connect the dots of civilians dying, and saying that's bad. Lots of people who suffer from strokes learn to control themselves and their personality changes. Fetterman just isn't one of them.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

We're saying the same thing.

An asshole is an asshole, it doesn't matter what lead them down that path.

Understanding why people are assholes is worth it because we learn how to deal with them, and maybe even prevent less people from becoming assholes later.

Every society has X% of assholes, there's never zero assholes, but it's worth getting that number as low as possible.

I think everyone agrees there's more than there used to be, and would enjoy less assholes.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 4 weeks ago

I see what you're saying. My mistake, I misinterpreted your comment. You're honestly a better person than me that would see someone have this kind of stance and say "Let's see where they're coming from". To me, it's just another asshole that society should not even have to tolerate.

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago

Fettermen wasn't perfect, but he wasn't this huge of an asshole before the stroke

NARRATOR: But he was.

[-] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 points 3 weeks ago

You think CTE causes people to become assholes?

Not sure who mentioned CTE or how it's relevant to Fetterman.

A stroke like Fetterman’s often produces even larger personality changes.

Agreed. This reminds me of a biography of FDR I read, explaining how his term went worse after his own stroke.

Fettermen wasn’t perfect, but he wasn’t this huge of an asshole before the stroke

Credit to alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml for https://jewishinsider.com/2022/04/john-fetterman-says-hell-lean-in-on-u-s-israel-relationship-as-senator/

Here's a choice quote from a pre-stroke Fetterman,

Fetterman said he is “equally passionate” in his opposition to the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement targeting Israel.

Also remember that he

backed legislation at the state level, signed into law six years ago by Pennsylvania’s Democratic governor, Tom Wolf, barring the commonwealth from pursuing contracts with companies that participate in boycotts of Israel.

Finally,

Fetterman ... confirmed ... that he has ... sought counsel from a variety of advocacy groups, including ... AIPAC

Again, that's all pre-stroke. So he might have been better at hiding or spinning these things pre-stroke, but it doesn't seem like his beliefs have really changed because of the stroke.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he runs as a Republican next election.

I would be. The closest I can find to that is this quote from him (from the above article), but this was pre-stroke.

I’m not really a progressive

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[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 4 weeks ago

Such a fucking disappointment

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

"Look what you made me do!"

[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 weeks ago

"stop hitting yourself"

[-] CondensedPossum@lemmy.world 44 points 3 weeks ago

Fetterman is terrible

you don't live in a democracy if your choices are between fetterman and dr Oz

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

To be fair to the piece of shit Fetterman, he ran on a very progressive platform.

Then he had that stroke and now he's one of the least progressive members of Congress.

The question is, was he always a lying sack of shit? Or did the stroke literally change his mind?

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think Sinema ever had a stroke and I believe she went from "progressive" into a piece of shit once she got elected, so I'm going with "he's a lying piece of shit" as the more likely reason.

[-] exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 weeks ago

I really would like to see some studies on that topic "does cognitive decline skew your position to the right". If it does it's usually slowly over many years. But fetterman had a huge decline suddenly and basically in love with genocide now. (I still believe he didn't think like that before).

Would make sense in a way - stripping away all nuance from the world by means of deteriorating perception makes people only see good and bad or my team / their team.

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

It would be interesting to see.

There's a condition called cerebral microvascular disease.

Basically individual neurons die, but because the brain is fairly plastic the surrounding neurons pick up the slack.

That is of course until the brain is stressed, at which point the surrounding neurons drop the extra duty to focus on just their own jobs.

Once the stress goes away, the neurons pick up the slack again.

Now here's the somewhat scary part. Something like 5% of adults over the age of 50 have it, to an extent that can be seen on a CT scan.

And 100% of those 90 and older have it.

It's a major cause of dementia in older adults but is usually seen as momentary brain fog.

[-] CondensedPossum@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

no, i don't get behind any of those excuses

I had to move my family away from Swissvale because of that piece of shit and his poison factories and his looting

he said he was going to clean up the steel mills and then he went back on it, that isn't democracy

[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

Fucking I don't ever want to have a stroke and become like that douchebag. I wish I could get my $100 back that I donated to his campaign.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 points 3 weeks ago

He's a pretty big disappointment. Apparently always been a brat who does what he wants but... Like not at all what we were expecting from him. But now he's elected so he's free from having to care what he does for money.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Really amazing how much and how well Fetterman hid how much of a garbage human being he is.

[-] TehWorld@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

The stroke he suffered did a number on him. In a bad way.

[-] TwitchingCheese@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Who would have guessed there'd be actual evidence that brain damage makes you more Republican.

[-] 800XL@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

70+ years of research into the effects of lead on the human brain.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

2500 years of research, if you count clinical observations.

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

TBF, still probably better then Dr oz

[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 weeks ago

Man my dyslexia made me read “I care little about kids dying” and I was like wtf

[-] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I don't know if it was dyslexia but I initially read "I don't care about little kids dying"...

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[-] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Does she care about children dying? This will be the legacy of Biden/Harris in Gaza

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

they are two salient issues of the same desire. placing an embargo on israel could at least slow their roll enough to allow the innocents to shed themselves of hamas and their ilk. or it could have. now, though, those innocents having had to deal with all the aggression thrown directly at them cannot really be faulted for turning away from israel and their supporters

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