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This post is a discussion of Shou Arai’s manga, “At 30, I Realized I Had No Gender.” However, feel free to just answer the question in the title if you’re not interested. I’m wondering if anyone here transitioned in their 30’s or 40 plus.

Shou Arai is an intersex person from Japan who is somewhat well-known in the local queer scene. Arai lived the first 30 years of his life as a woman before transitioning into a man. I’ll be using he/him pronouns to describe Arai, as those are the ones he uses in the manga. The LGBT movement in Japan is obviously different than it is in the West, so some terminology doesn’t fit exactly. Arai is physically intersex, having physical characteristics of both sexes. He is also described as trans, non-binary, or agender at times; however, in this case agender is translated from something that more closely resembles “between genders.” Having read the manga, I personally feel that the term agender doesn’t really fit in the Western sense, and I believe the title is more in reference to “I am without gender because society doesn’t have a name for people with genders like me” rather than a true absence of gender.

Like Poppy Pesuyama, Arai considers himself a manga essayist. This means that the manga is primarily expository rather than narratively driven. Unlike Pesuyama, who wove their exposition into an overarching narrative, Arai foregoes narrative all together. Instead, each chapter of the manga is based on a topic or anecdote. Some chapters are even just Q&A sessions with other queer people. Often times, Arai is just giving practical advice about being queer. Despite the title of the manga, Arai actually wrote it when he was nearing 50 years of age, so he 30 years of female experience and about 20 of male experience by that time. Quite a veteran queer!

Here's a list of the topics he covers:

As you can see, the majority of the manga is devoted to aging while queer, which is why I was drawn to it. Frankly, I think some of the advice that Arai gives might be a bit antiquated, but he is real af. I think that some of the chapters were hard to read for me not because the subject matter or presentation is heavy but because he clearly voices a lot of the small things we worry about when aging and queer. In particular, the chapters “If I had aged a woman” or “Is it impossible to be a young girl” are a little rough if, like me, you’re transitioning late in life. Other chapters just discuss aging in general like body measurements, choosing glasses, facial sagging, or having a big head lol. In general, he’ll discuss an issue and then provide a way to try to mitigate it or think about it differently, and he’s always real about what’s actually achievable.

The manga is a real grab bag of tough thoughts, which I’m gonna list here:

mild dysphoriaHaving smile lines, growing unwanted facial hair, trying to manage your aging so people don’t just identify you as male, wishing you had transitioned sooner so you would’ve had better skincare, being jealous of people who started hormones early, having no memories of being young in the gender you want, being easier to present masculine when you’re older, having a weird mismatched body, using clothing to present femme but feeling dysphoria when you take them off and see your masculine body, changing your clothing style just so people identify you correctly, having a non-binary heart while still presenting in a binary manner, confusing looking femme with looking young, getting too old for sex, and many, many more!

Overall, I think that the manga is rather formalistically boring. There’re really no characters, and the art is fairly basic, so there’s nothing really to latch onto. Unlike other queer manga I’ve read, this one didn’t really move me; however, I think it’s bursting with important and helpful content, so it’s worth a read if any of this interests you.

personal dysphoriaTo be honest, despite the fact that it’s really light, I found myself quite bothered by a lot of it. For me, a lot of my dysphoria comes more from my age than my gender. I’m closer to 40 than 30 these days (much older than Arai when he transitioned), and sometimes I can’t help but think I’m a man playing dress up or that I missed my window to transition or that I’m going through some midlife crisis to make me look younger. I also acknowledge that there’s more to being trans and queer than being pretty, and a lot of transfemmes are really obsessed with youth and beauty, and then I just feel guilty for boiling down gender to being pretty. Anyway, I know all of these things aren’t true, and it’s just societal ideas that I’ve internalized that are causing me dysphoria. I can’t help thinking it would be easier to just age male, though. I wish I had the awareness that kids nowadays get, but back in my day (at least where I lived), trans literally wasn’t a thing. We had no language or conception of it. In fact, I'm remembering now that when I came out to my wife while bawling, I kept repeating, "I just didn't know we could do this [transition]" >.>

Anyway, I wanna hear from the younglings too, but this post is for the geezers like me. Have any kind words? chomsky-yes-honey

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[–] Jenniferrr@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

I started transition right before my 30th birthday. I would say the hardest parts for me have been the

-"am I just a man wearing a dress" thoughts -dealing with coming out at an older age. People expect me to have this all well and figured out by now. -dealing with my entire life changing when I was just getting "started" e.g. my engagement ended as a result. -honestly maybe the worst is feeling like I missed my 20s on some level. Or even more than that, feeling like I missed out on being the girl I always wanted to be. And now I just feel like some in between thing that can't help but be perceived as a man.

I think a lot of us older trans folks though don't identify with the strong "I was a girl in a boy body" trope. For me it was always just that I wanted to be a girl, but didn't realize that that was an option so I just ignored it and was actually quite good at being a guy.

Actually the fact that I was good at being a guy sorta kept my egg from cracking for a while too. It really felt I had so much to lose.

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I had "the realization" when I was about 40, and then started dabbling in DIY HRT when I was 41 and had to go back off of it within about three months because of health issues. I went back on DIY (via a less problematic approach) just before I turned 43, and I've been at it ever since. Since then, I have definitely developed femme waist/hip/chest proportions compared to before, but body hair growth is as bad as ever, and home IPL zappers only do so much. Ravages of testosterone exposure, I guess.

I still present as masc because I don't feel safe to come out publicly while living where I do; I absolutely do not want to jeopardize my job or get assaulted by local CHUDs. Apparently the baggy t-shirt + MILF jeans combo isn't cutting it anymore though, because I may have been clocked by a 7 year old. It's possible that the little shit has just never seen an aging metalhead with long hair, but it's still pretty fucking jarring when a kid just looks at you and blurts out, "ARE YOU A BOY OR A GIRL?" before hearing your voice.

Wall 'o Text/disjointed infodump

I wish I had the awareness that kids nowadays get, but back in my day (at least where I lived), trans literally wasn’t a thing. We had no language or conception of it. In fact, I'm remembering now that when I came out to my wife while bawling, I kept repeating, "I just didn't know we could do this [transition]" >.>

This is my experience to a T. A large part of it was never possessing the vocabulary to articulate what I felt deep down, but I think some of it was also quite literally beaten out of me by my teenage uncles when I was little. It got to the point that I hid those thoughts and images from myself and buried them so deep that it took decades to de-program that latent trauma response.

Maybe it's the [extremely probable] undiagnosed autism/AuDHD, but I was always an outcast as a kid, was constantly bullied, and never felt comfortable around the overwhelming majority of boys in my age group. That said, I really don't feel like I ever fit the mold of the "I ALWAYS KNEW I WAS A LIL' GIRL TRAPPED IN A MALE BODY" stereotype that medical gatekeepers treated as a requirement back in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, so it's not like I could have medically transitioned or even gotten on puberty blockers if I had possessed the vocabulary. (And if your lived experience meshes with that "stereotype," that's fine! You're valid!) All I knew at the time was that I always felt a little "off" and, after puberty, always had this low-level sense of being grossed out by my own body.

Looking back, I wonder if it would have changed anything if I had known why I always felt so out of place and why I had so many self-destructive and self-sabotaging impulses well into my 30s, or if it would have been a case of being able to identify the issue with no path available toward resolving it. That being said, even just getting on HRT the past several years has done me a world of good psychologically. I can look in the mirror without disassociating, so that's something.

I definitely vibe with the stuff about agonizing over picking out eyeglasses, but I'd like to add another: hair styles for the low-key boymoder, and learning to love your frizzy gray streaks.

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah, I'm not gonna fuck with DIY at all because I have too much health anxiety.

That said, I really don't feel like I ever fit the mold of the "I ALWAYS KNEW I WAS A LIL' GIRL TRAPPED IN A MALE BODY"

Yeah, me either. My experience is significantly more blurred.

All I knew at the time was that I always felt a little "off" and, after puberty, always had this low-level sense of being grossed out by my own body.

Yup! Luckily very low level for me

learning to love your frizzy gray streaks.

Actually, I think my gray streaks rule!

[–] khizuo@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Youngling here just to say: I love and support our older trans comrades cat-trans

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh no. Now khizuo knows I'm decrepit cri

[–] khizuo@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Late thirties isn’t even old blocky-wat

[–] magi@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago
[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

Trans years are like dog years. I don't make the rules

(I actually make the rules)

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

It's late and I'm tired, so short reply tonight. Egg shattered when I was in my mid 30's, I'm late 30's now. No HRT yet tho.

[–] iie@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm NB, and starting to lose my hair is what has given me dysphoria enough to notice. I still look good so far, which made me realize looking good is not the main issue. Looking too masc is the issue. Being a handsome young guy was almost like presenting NB, I had that sort of feminine-coded feeling of being pursued rather than pursuing. I feel like aging and losing my hair is shunting me into a more masculine role that feels wrong.

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, the thought of losing my hair is what largely set this all off

[–] iie@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

My dad doesn't understand why it bothers me so much and I have to dance around it saying things like "it just doesn't suit me" which is like sitcom-tier

[–] knightly@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I was a precocious little kitten, had myself figured out by age 11, but Texas in the 90's barely made being a binary trans person possible and enbies were wholly unknown. So, I did my best to convince myself it was just a weird sexual fetish so I could sleepwalk through life as a dude. It didn't seem worth it to come out of the closet, especially after the trauma that was getting outed as gay at 16.

It wasn't until 2016 that I met another enby like myself, 2019 when I came across a study that showed enbies benefitting from hormone therapy, and then 2022 before I finally escaped Texas to a blue state. After all that, I finally got the courage to finish coming out to my family, jump through the remaining hoops, and my one year anniversary of the day I started hormone therapy is just over a week away ^_^

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh wow, people are still reading this thread. I'm happy you stopped by.

I also had the "this is just a fetish" brainworms that I barely worked through this year.

I'm glad you made it out and you're living as yourself meow-hug

[–] knightly@hexbear.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Heyas! Yeah, I'm new. Just made myself a hexbear profile and still wandering about. ^_^

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Have you stopped by the trans megathread yet? It's been really busy lately, and I'm sure people would be happy to meet you niko-happy

[–] knightly@hexbear.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not yet! I'll have to find it ^__^

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago
[–] magi@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I transitioned mid 30s and am now in my 40s. I'm also non binary I also am intersex, had boobs and hips during puberty and have always been more androgynous. Low T included. But took until my 30s to transition. Because of my height 5ft 3 and how I looked I was bullied a lot, this including a bad upbringing along with autism made it take me a lot longer even though I knew I was different from 8 years old.

As far as aging, I'm blessed with smooth skin. Fallout reference if you will. I still get carded in my 40s and have made a game out of seeing if anyone can guess my age. Because it can range anywhere from 20s to 30s. So I'm not your typical authentic 80s goth I guess but I have some odd genetics going on along with plenty of autism (which I equate to my youthful looks.. more than anything else, though the low T helped a ton I guess)

As far as the rest goes, I don't really care much. I've always been an outsider and never had many friends. I have never had any really all my life, only my wife now but regrets? Not any really other than I do wish I'd transitioned sooner more so that my chronic pain could maybe be alleviated somewhat but I don't know.. I maybe might have not been bullied as much being the other binary gender at some point but now I don't care for any binaries in most of life. I have seen how much society is built on bullshit that included... a sliding scale over my lifetime from a creature from the void that lives inside my skin..

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thank you! This is a beautiful experience to share.

You might enjoy the manga. It seems you can relate even more than me

[–] magi@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure but I will give it a look, purely because I don't get much dysphoria over how I look. I also have kind of different perspective being long transitioned at this stage.. a lot of it I've come to terms with but I don't dwell on things as much as I would have at the start.. I still have good and bad days, some regrets and such here or there but a lot is set now and I've long come to terms with being non binary coming from being convinced I was transfem but I'm more than that and always have been.. I dunno, I've been on this journey so long that I find things all the time or things that once bothered me I care little for or have completely changed my perspective on. A lot of clothing and such I just wear what I want, I wear makeup when I feel like it but I don't think so much about how I present or look, I stopped caring about what most people think long ago so maybe that's part of it too.. hard to know. But I know what it's like to be at the start and what it's like to be in your 30s and a baby trans too..

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You have surpassed Arai. You are beyond him kel-bliss

[–] magi@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

I think it started mainly when I read Gender Outlaw, that lined up with a lot of my inner thoughts. That was what shattered the illusion of the binary completely and helped me understand myself better

[–] Wake@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm 37, realized I was trans in January and started transitioning in March. 6 months in now and just started hrt. I definitely want to check this out.

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

Omg this is heartening! It's good to know I'm in good company meow-hug

[–] magi@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago
[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I finally got hormones less than a year ago, it was a great move for my mental health meow-melt

[–] magi@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

Tends to help a lot, congrats!

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

Happy for you!

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm kinda at a point I just try real hard not to think about it.

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Apart from the alcoholism and depression? More or less ok