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Windows 11 v24H2 and beyond will have Recall installed on every system. Attempting to remove Recall will now break some file explorer features such as tabs.

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[-] secretfoxtail@lemmy.ca 265 points 6 days ago

Microsoft has been the single most effective marketing asset for GNU/Linux distributions in recent years.

[-] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

I'm so fucking glad I switched to Linux this year.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 69 points 6 days ago

Well Valve was doing too well with the steam deck in that area so they had to trump them, second place is just the first loser.

[-] walderan@sh.itjust.works 68 points 6 days ago

Valve is holding the carrot, Microsoft the stick.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 62 points 6 days ago

I remember them doing this with Internet Explorer back in the 90s.

"We can't remove this thing we don't want to remove! Look! It's hastily integrated with the OS! We can't remove it ever!"

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 10 points 5 days ago

yep exactly my thoughts. IE couldn't be ripped off a Windows computer at all

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It still can’t.. Hidden somewhere deep in windows, there is still a IE, believe me.

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[-] match@pawb.social 159 points 6 days ago

it was vastly easier to install linux mint than it is to figure out registry editing or whatever the fuck i'd need to avoid this

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 88 points 6 days ago

Nah, mate, Linux is hard, you need to know what a Wayland is. In comparison, Windows is very simple and lightweight, you only have to run a dozen Powershell scripts and edit the registry weekly to get rid of ads.

[-] Bread@sh.itjust.works 55 points 6 days ago

"Do I look like I know what a Wayland is?"

[-] bollybing@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 6 days ago

I just want a picture of a goddamn hotdog

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[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 37 points 6 days ago

This is where some Windows shill says "you only need to fix it once!" as if this is your only computer ever, and the only problem you need to fix. And then Windows changes it back to their default in next year's update.

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 43 points 6 days ago

And some Windows update would "accidentally" undo that anyways.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The difference between Linux and Windows is on Linux you're working with the operating system to make modifications and taking advantage of its vast resources (extensive wikis on major distos, terminal auto completion with fish and zsh, preconfigured defaults when installing through the package manager, etc). Meanwhile on Windows you're actively working against the system in order to disable unwanted features like AI and telemetry.

(Also I would recommend looking into Debian, the software may be a tad bit old but its the most stable distribution)

[-] pixelscript@lemm.ee 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Happy Debian daily driver here. I would never ever recommend raw Debian to a garden variety would-be Linux convert.

If you think something like Debian is something a Linux illiterate can just pick up and start using proficiently, you're severely out of touch with how most computer users actually think about their machines. If you even so much as know the name of your file explorer program, you're in a completely different league.

Debian prides itself on being a lean, no bloat, and stable environment made only of truly free software (with the ability to opt-in to nonfree software). To people like us, that's a clean, blank canvas on a rock-solid, reliable foundation that won't enshittify. But to most people, it's an austere, outdated, and unfashionable wasteland full of flaky, ugly tooling.

Debian can be polished to any standard one likes, but you're expected to do it yourself. Most people just aren't in the game to play it like that. Debian saddles questions of choice almost no one is asking, or frankly, even knew was a question that was ask*-able*. Mandatory customizeability is a flaw, not a feature.

I am absolutely team "just steer them to Mint". All the goodness of Debian snuck into their OS like medicine in a kid's dessert, wrapped up in something they might actually find palatable. Debian itself can be saved for when, or shall I say if, the user eventually goes poking under the hood to discover how the machine actually ticks.

[-] Lobreeze@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Debian is probably one of the worst choices for someone looking to try Linux, especially for gaming.

Nothing better than setting everything up only to find you can't install some new thing because your xyz is too old

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[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 74 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Windows Debloat Tool:

https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools

I run this on any new Win install. I also suggest Portmaster so you know where your data is going (I use it on Linux too!)

https://safing.io/

However, if you can, it is really worth switching to Linux. Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool. Windows is making a product. Enough said.

If people would like to "try Linux before you buy," check out DistroSea. It spins up a virtual machine of whatever distro and flavour you choose to try.

https://distrosea.com/

There are a surprising and growing number of Linux compatible tools. Software is usually why people have a hard time switching. If you're dependent on Photoshop/Adobe, check out:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

Gamers should check out:

https://www.protondb.com/

This site shows how well games run on Proton (compatibility tool) and people offer solutions to get them running if there's any snags.

[-] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 18 points 6 days ago

DaVinci Resolve is not a replacement for Photoshop/Adobe as a whole, but it is a decent replacement for Adobe products AfterEffects and Premier.

For Photoshop alternatives, I'd start with GIMP for photo editing or Krita for illustration and digital painting.

I'm still on Windows because my drawing app of choice is Clip Studio Paint, which has no Linux version. I've read and watched several guides to getting CSP running on Linux, but it still scares me off.

But this Recall thing is so insidious to me... I might try to get it working on Linux anyway.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 42 points 6 days ago

Explorer has had so many dependencies attached to it that if even one of them sneezes, the entire desktop environment crashes and has to restart.

Actually insane when you think about it. Why the hell is a file explorer the root process of the desktop??????

I've only ever forced stopped thunar once and it was because I was messing with some thumbnail settings. Naturally the rest of my system worked as normal, as well as the other thunar windows open lol.

[-] sfxrlz@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Looking at you microsoft store rdp manager. Crashing explorer when I dare to leave something in the clipboard.

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 74 points 6 days ago

Ahahaha, holly fucking shit.

They literally added some OS in their spyware.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 52 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

For years... well pretty much since I had a PC, I had a Windows partition. Why? Well because I (sadly) paid for the damn thing (damn OEM deals). Plus, I admit, sometimes they were things that only ran on Windows.

For few years now though, everything, literally, from the latest tech gadget to playing games to VR, works on Linux.

Few weeks ago I deleted the Windows partition. I didn't have to. I didn't boot on it for months. It didn't affect me.

Still, I now feel ... safer, more relaxed, coherent.

When I see shit like that, I feel even better!

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[-] richardisaguy@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago

how the fuck do you even begin making recall a dependency for explorer?

[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago

I can't say how. But I can guess why.

"Sorry, can't remove it. It's a system dependency"

[-] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago

It's the Microsoft way

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[-] notous@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago

screw Microsoft..i hope people will consider to switch to Linux

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[-] cmeu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 6 days ago

So.. how does this exist in corporate environments where PCI DSS is necessary? Is the government also going to have to deal with fallout from this?

I wonder if there will ever be a point where legislation dictates features from an os vendor.. we lost control of our hardware when they started forcing updates. I'm sure someone will hack a DLL or something to allow explorer to run but kill this component... But should we really need to hack our systems to protect ourselves from spying?

Inb4 Linux - I ran Slackware in the early 90s, and my server still runs a deb based distro.. but when I want to play Forza, I'm pretty limited with my choices, etc.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Microsoft: We're going to arbitrarily require TPM and SecureBoot and say that makes Windows 11 more secure even though that's a feature of your motherboard, not our operating system.

Also Microsoft: In Windows 11 the file explorer program depends on a program that periodically sends us screenshots of your screen.

So secure!

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[-] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Wow this doesn't affect me at all thank fully

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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

So, I just bought a new laptop. It came with Windows 11. But anyways, I'm writing this comment from a freshly installed Bazzite Linux OS.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago
[-] spookedintownsville@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

I love winutil. Makes debloating windows a lot easier.

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[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

Glad I moved away from Windows on all my personal computers. Fedora with Plasma is so similar to Windows and so much better. If my non-tech partner can use it, then anyone can.

Only problem is that Windows is better at resizing content on high resolution (4K) monitors. And ordering multiple monitors on the login screen doesn't always work right, but it's fine once logged in. And it takes a bit more to set up than preinstalled Windows that's on most computers when you buy them. But if it was preinstalled and set up already for the hardware like Windows usually is, it would be way better for nearly everyone.

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