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submitted 9 months ago by tree@lemmy.zip to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world

Hertz put a first-time EV driver in a Tesla that was half dead, then tried to hold her financially accountable for getting stranded on the side of the road.


Now that EVs are filling out rental fleets around the U.S., drivers are going through an adjustment period full of hazards and inconveniences. A mother and daughter from Gurnee, Illinois, became trapped inside of a Tesla from Hertz, which the company rented out to them in lieu of an ICE-equipped sedan the woman had reserved in advance. After the dead Tesla stranded them, Hertz tried to put the woman on a do-not-rent list, despite being responsible for much of the trouble, as the woman tells CBS News.

When Becky Liebau and her daughter arrived to the Hertz counter, they were told the only car left on the rental lot was a Tesla. Liebau had never driven an EV; she had booked a reservation for a gas-powered car, but rental companies are notorious for taking reservations though not holding onto them. According to Liebau, this was around closing time and she had no other choice but to take the Tesla, which appears to have been a Model 3 based on the CBS report:

Disaster ensued for the mother and daughter, who had booked the trip to scope out prospective colleges for the 16-year old scholar. We could easily say this was due to driver error, but it’s not that simple. User error figures into the problems that left the woman and teenager stranded, but the onus rests on Hertz now that it’s bolstered its rental fleet with over 50,000 EVs. Especially when dealing with first-time EV drivers like Liebau.

And it’s not like it was for lack of trying on the part of the mother and daughter. Liebau says her daughter tried getting up to speed on the Tesla EV, going on the internet to learn how to to operate the fully-electric car.

Hertz had given the pair an EV that was reportedly under 50 percent state of charge. The Tesla showed approximately 90 miles of range left, which may have been enough to get Liebau and her daughter to a charger. Hertz, however, did not provide them with an adapter to use charging stations that don’t conform to Tesla’s charging standard. Hertz later suggested these adapters are often targeted by thieves. It’s hard to see why that matters, or why Hertz would mention this — other than to suggest it was acting in its own best interest.

The Tesla’s tires were also low on air and would have benefitted from a top up. What Hertz basically did was hand Liebau the keys to a less than half-charged EV with low tire pressure and a missing adapter for use at nearby chargers. The Tesla went dead as Liebau searched for a charging station, trapping the two inside the cabin. Liebau and her daughter had no idea how to get out of the dead EV, and their phones were running out of battery, too. Again, that’s user error, but no one at Hertz explained the proper procedures to Liebau.

No roadside assistance came from Hertz. The two were eventually towed by a driver they had tracked down on their own, who taught them to override the electric door locks. They were taken to a hotel nearby, and had to pay one of the maintenance workers there for a ride across the state.

Presumably, back to their home. A hefty bill was waiting for them, as Hertz tried to pin the blame on Liebau. She refused to pay the invoices, and the company put her on a do-not-rent list. Hertz only happened to reverse course after CBS investigators reached out to the company. CBS says that Hertz has now refunded all charges and has reimbursed Liebau for the expenses she incurred.


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[-] Uprise42@artemis.camp 107 points 9 months ago

Hertz shouldn’t have gone with Tesla for EV’s. People not driving EV’s and are renting want something as similar to their current car as possible. Both my leaf, and my current Kia Niro operate mostly like an ICE. The torque is different. The acceleration is different. But the biggest difference is the shifter and that is still simple enough that you could figure it out in about 30 seconds. Other than that it’s a normal car. Anyone can get in and drive it. They don’t need to worry about figuring out the touch screen crap or how to turn on windshield wipers like a lot of people need to figure out with Teslas. Tesla’s used to be the pinnacle of EV’s but now they’re cheaply made, over teched out garbage.

[-] ramirezmike@programming.dev 56 points 9 months ago

I'm probably at least average intelligence and rented a tesla recently because it was what was available. I've never driven one before and was so frustrated with the experience.

As a renter, you only have the key fob which has a really vague drawing of how to use it that only makes sense after you figure it out. I had no idea you had to press it against the door column to lock/unlock it. How is that intuitive? why wouldn't it be against the handle?

Had to sit and watch YouTube videos in the car to figure out how to do everything. It was really unclear how to easily turn off the car and the only way I could figure it out was diving into the settings menu to find a shutdown button, only to accidentally turn it on again as I'm leaving.

The manual door release is designed to be discreet! THE MANUAL DOOR RELEASE IS DESIGNED TO BE DISCREET!

Like, I get it that a person who buys the Tesla will take the time to learn it, but it's a terrible rental experience. Especially when a lot of the tutorials are catered toward people who have the car tied to their phone, which you can't do as a renter.

I wouldn't say the women in the article are blameless, but it's definitely not "adjust the mirrors and you're good to go" like every other rental I've had.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The more I learn about those cars, the more I'm convinced that no thought at all went into their design beyond "hey that's cool" (if even that, it probably was more along the lines of "hey, that's cheap").

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago

I still don't really see what's cool about it other than: it goes really fast when your battery is charged. I guess some people are blinded by the big screen, but the whole interior looks like a concept car that was never ment to be released that way. It's all cheap tricks an gimmicks

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[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago

Are you technology connections? Lol.

[-] Uprise42@artemis.camp 16 points 9 months ago

I’ve never even heard of him until you commented so I don’t know if that’s a compliment or not lol. A quick google doesn’t tell me much

[-] thanevim@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago

I would personally take it as a compliment. But then, I like the guy's rants and deep dives into tech. Your mileage (heh) may vary

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[-] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

This is why i love lemmy, fucking nerds ❤️❤️❤️

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[-] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 89 points 9 months ago

Rental companies should try putting some stickers inside the vehicle which indicate where the manual door release is. It wouldn’t cost much and would at least save people unfamiliar with Teslas from getting trapped like this.

[-] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 115 points 9 months ago

Or maybe the damn door release should work regardless of power? I shouldn't need special training to get out of a car in an emergency. Making an interior "manual release" that is hidden just seems like dangerously negligent design.

[-] whatupwiththat@kbin.social 24 points 9 months ago

he was burned alive in his car cause couldn't operate the ridiculously complicated door

[-] rikonium@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 9 months ago

Oh he should’ve just watched this 10-minute tutorial on how to open the door on YouTube after crawling to either the front seat or trunk!

[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 52 points 9 months ago

If you use the manual door release in Teslas it can apparently damage the trim when you close the door again. Wonderfully designed cars.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

I have trouble believing any engineer was part of that decision. The default is always human safety. Hotel doors electronic locks will disengage during a blackout, elevators will stop in place rather than introduce a new risk by moving the humans further, your seatbelt is still uncomfortable and will always be and keep you alive, if an industrial machine senses danger the solution is too cut power to anything that moves.

Electricity is less reliable than a human, and if the human is dead it won't matter how the door is opened.

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[-] astraeus@programming.dev 35 points 9 months ago

The stickers have been prone to theft, so they don’t like to replace them very often. They’re saving some time and money so you don’t have to.

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago

Hertz is a horrible company. If you have any other option, use it. If you have no other option, just walk into traffic. It's less painful than dealing with their scams.

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[-] youngalfred@lemm.ee 45 points 9 months ago

So I'm expected to drop off a car with a full tank after hiring, and I expect it to be full when I pick it up.

Is that not the same for EV's when you hire?

[-] ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Plenty of rentals, Hertz included, go out on less than full. You are only required to fill it where you got it. E.g car goes out with half, you return it with half.

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[-] joel_feila@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago

That also sounds like a serious safety problem if you cant get out when the battery dies

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[-] squiblet@kbin.social 33 points 9 months ago

I got stranded in a rental moving truck because they gave it to me with a low tire that turned out to be damaged. I'm still not sure if I handled it right, but I ended up denying the charges for an extra day since it was 100% their fault (still waiting to see if my bank agrees...). Nice to see these people were refunded, but still they were put on the blacklist. Fuck these companies.

[-] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 30 points 9 months ago

A few months ago I made a reservation to rent a car with hertz. When I showed up, the only available car was a mostly dead EV. I'm glad I did a little research before agreeing to it because I would have had to go way out of my way to charge it, and the charging process would have taken HOURS to achieve the charge I needed for my trip.

I'm pro-EV in general but rental companies shouldn't be offering them in their current state imo

[-] hypelightfly@kbin.social 20 points 9 months ago

I think offering them is fine, provided it has 100% charge and the expected travel is less than the available range.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

A charged battery should be expected from a rental EV, totally. It's not difficult for Hertz to install a fast charger at their locations to handle that for their vehicles and just cycle through the to keep their inventory charged.

Now 100% may not be realistic. Just like your phone getting from say 80% to a full charge can take as long or longer than from 0% to 80%. But a full charge isn't necessary most of the time, and there are a lot of public chargers, even without the adapter to use 3rd party chargers on a Tesla for instance.

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[-] argh_another_username@lemmy.ca 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don’t own an EV, so I don’t know how all this works. But I find this behaviour very weird. The amount of energy needed to move a car is gigantic compared to, well, everything else inside the car. Even without power to move the vehicle, there should be enough charge to open the doors, operate the computer and so on.

When my phone shuts down from lack of power, if I immediately put it in the charge, it will light up the screen to show the battery symbol. So, even if there’s not enough juice to power all the components of the phone, there’s still some charge to turn the screen on to show the battery status. Only if I don’t charge it for a long time is that the screen will take time to start showing me the battery symbol.

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[-] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Hertz is a dumpster fire of a company. I always rent from Enterprise. They cost more but I've never had an issue with them or their cars.

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[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Headline should be : Hertz rending Teslas now, definitely not a terrible idea and average Americans not good at pulling levers that aren't incredibly obvious

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

Giving someone a car with less than 90 miles of range and limited charging options without included adapters is pretty shitty. Definitely a bit of user error, but if you're renting out EVs they need to be close to fully charged. Having to find a charger and wait for the car to charge right after you pick it up is pretty shitty.

[-] the_sisko@startrek.website 20 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I get dinged if I return a gas vehicle with less than 3/4 tank, and yet Hertz is handing out EVs with under half a charge?? That's some major bullshit.

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[-] Four_lights77@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago

Well - hertz just lost all my future business.

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