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submitted 1 year ago by floppy@rabbitea.rs to c/android

SUMMARY

  • The EU has identified WhatsApp as a gatekeeper in the messaging industry and has given it a few months to enable interoperability with other apps.
  • The EU's Digital Markets Act aims to promote fair competition and give consumers more options for alternative services.
  • WhatsApp has already begun working on interoperability with other apps, potentially allowing smaller players like Signal to compete more fairly.
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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 112 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Signal will soon be your one stop solution for all your chat apps

Fixed that for you.

[-] elouboub@kbin.social 82 points 1 year ago

Why is this being presented as "whatsapp will be the one and only" instead of "whatsapp won't be the only option"? The DMA will users to install nearly any chat app and chat with users from another chat app.

[-] HKayn@dormi.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Where are you getting "the one and only" from? Are you misinterpreting "one-stop solution"?

[-] elouboub@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

What are you interpreting "one-stop solution" as?

[-] TheMadnessKing 58 points 1 year ago

The fact that iMessage got the exemptions underpins the entire act. I would any day switch to Signal, if there is 1:1 interoperability b/w the platforms.

[-] Alonely0@mastodon.social 33 points 1 year ago

@TheMadnessKing @floppy in Europe for most people iMessage is just the SMS app. Even though it pisses me off that Apple got away with it, having WhatsApp to comply with this is just huge. Everyone here uses WhatsApp, and now I won't be forced to leave Signal anymore.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 31 points 1 year ago

iMessage is not considered a gatekeeper in Europe because pretty much nobody uses it. That's why it's extempted.

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[-] ABluManOnLemmy@feddit.nl 16 points 1 year ago

Apple just claimed an exception. It's still up to the EU to determine whether it is actually exempt or not.

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[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

Nobody here uses it though

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[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

It's because there's not enough people in the EU actually using it.

[-] paintbucketholder@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It's really on American regulators to hold American companies accountable if they abuse their dominant position in the American market to the detriment of American consumers.

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[-] kindenough@kbin.social 51 points 1 year ago

No it won't.

My sister was angered when I quit whatsapp (and facebook), asking me reasons why and if it was because I didn't like her. Told her I like my privacy. Haven't heard of her and a lot of other family since who only like to communicate through social media. Good.

I like SMS and Signal, only people that care for me are using that because I asked them to.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 29 points 1 year ago

I’m there with you on the ideals, after all here I am on Lemmy (and mastodon fwiw) with Reddit and TwitterX deleted.

But, everybody I am close to in everyday life is a normie for lack of a better term. I don’t have to use Facebook regularly, for example, but there is a practical value to just having it available and checking notifications from time to time.

Kind of like how I’m looking through some code in Linux at work today, but it’s running in a VM on my Microsoft/O365 equipped PC. Much like with Facebook, factors outside my control necessitate using it, so I accept it without stressing myself.

I’m not trying to argue or convince you to change your ways though! FLOSS and privacy need awareness and advocacy, and therefore need strong outspoken supporters!

[-] Throwdownyourgrandma@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago

only people that care for me are using that because I asked them to.

That logic works both ways. You don't care about them enough to use WhatsApp/Facebook it seems to me.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

WhatsApp can eat a crap

I won't use it either

[-] someone_secret@burggit.moe 12 points 1 year ago

Not to burst your bubble but SMS is even less secure than WhatsApp. In fact, SMS is among the least secure communication avenues on a phone, since your telecommunications provider has the ability to keep logs of what you send, when you send it and to whom you send it to.

Not to mention how insecure 4G is and how easy it is to intercept other people's messages

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[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 year ago

Cool so I can decide to use Signal for privacy reasons and if the other party uses WhatsApp all my chats with them are read by Meta? What is the point?

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 17 points 1 year ago

No, it's still E2EE. Meta can't read it as far as anyone knows. Meta will know that the other person has you in their contacts (they already know this) and that they are messaging you, that's it.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 year ago

Meta writes the software that runs on the other end, and it's closed source. Therefore for all we know, the message is end-to-end encrypted, and the moment it is decrypted on the other end Meta can send it back to their servers or use it for advertising. Unless the client at the end is open source and audited, E2E doesn't mean much imo

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 25 points 1 year ago

I can't wait for signal/session/simplex to be whatsapp compatible, but I'm not sure they can provided the e2ee gurantees since whatsapp is closed source.

[-] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

I fear that Signal won't implement cross compatibility for WhatsApp since they already said that they are not a fan of potentially giving up E2EE to get it to work. And I can understand that but I still really would like to have the cross compatibility.

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

I hope Signal doesn't if it won't be E2EE. I like knowing that if it's in Signal, it's E2EE, and being able to tell less technically sophisticated people to whom I recommend Signal that everything in it is secure against eavesdropping.

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[-] Tomrot@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Signal and also lots of other privacy focused messenger-services (threema e.g.) already said the will not implement this forced interoperability since it will lower their already high standards regarding their users privacy. Sad but i guess it makes sense :(

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[-] sadreality@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

Signal interoperability

I support it but this doesn't sound legit

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago

Odd way to spell Matrix.

[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago

Not a fucking chance!

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago

It's weird. With every single app having a DM feature years before Whatsapp was even invented, with every single cell phone having email and SMS capabilities, and with a bunch of E2E encrypted apps already in service, why would I want to go back to Facebook's ecosystem in 2023?

[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

When every single person you know uses Whatsapp, you have to use it too. That's what this law is about. So you can use other apps even if everyone else uses whatsapp

[-] heird@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Whatsapp worked on iPhone, Android, Blackberry and even some old ass java phones

They dominated the market in most countries or were close second to Messenger.

Now they keep growing and it doesn't give any chance to smaller better apps, this law makes it possible for you to use only signal but also chat to people that only use Whatsapp

[-] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

Eww no get that trash outta here

[-] csolisr@communities.azkware.net 13 points 1 year ago

And this is where I wonder, how long until Matrix servers preemptively defederate from WhatsApp?

[-] jackoid@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Probably won't. WhatsApp is already huge. Threads was a new platform with artificially inflated user numbers.

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[-] Pistcow@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Nice try, WhatsApp.

[-] NorthWestWind@iusearchlinux.fyi 12 points 1 year ago

I setup my own matrix instance and ran a few bridges on it, so I don't need WhatsApp thanks

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[-] severien@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Does anyone know what level of interoperability is required? Like basic text, pictures, emoji... or every feature including things like location sharing?

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Fuck that, fuck them they belong in the digital bin. I don't want WhatsApp to be able to connect to Signal or anything else. Sounds like a gigantic security risk.

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[-] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I have a whatsapp because my dad wanted to be able to call me without international long distance fees. He's called once and I get endless amounts of spam. I'll be seeing him in a couple of weeks, and I can hopefully switch him to LINE (what everyone uses here) and get rid of this app for all and get the last cancer of Meta out of my personal life.

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[-] lascapi@jlai.lu 5 points 1 year ago

I wonder if WhatsApp is going to make a white list of compatible App or if they just open an API or document a protocol...

Anyway, I found it awesome.

If someone don't want to chat with a WhatsApp user it's always possible too.

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