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[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 63 points 2 months ago
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 2 months ago

That's in Frisia/whatever fake country controls it for now

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeland

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 6 points 2 months ago

Friesland is a province, smh

[-] 3ntranced@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Here's me hoping the next cataclysm drains the oceans by a few hundred feet so we can establish New Old Zealand 🇳🇿

[-] Qwaffle_waffle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Hear ye Nozzies!

[-] jettrscga@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago

If submerged land can be called continents, where's the line between what is and isn't a continent?

[-] cbarrick@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago

I think the reason Zealandia is called a "submerged continent" is because it is made of continental crust rather than oceanic crust.

But IMO the best geologic definition of continents is by tectonic plates, which mostly matches up with the cultural definitions of the continents.

For the major continents, we have these plates:

  • North American
  • South American
  • Eurasian
  • African
  • Australian
  • Antarctic

There are several smaller plates too, like the Caribbean, Indian, and Arabian plates. IMO, we should consider these independent continents.

There is also a dedicated Pacific plate. The ring of fire is the border of this plate.

New Zealand / Zealandia is on the ring of fire. Half on the Australian plate, half on the Pacific plate. You can actually see the border of the two plates when you look at the topographical map of Zealandia.

[-] youngalfred@lemm.ee 21 points 2 months ago

Oceanic crust is heavier, denser, and composed of different rocks than continental crust.

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 10 points 2 months ago

It's just this, just simple geology.

The water level is actually irrelevant.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 15 points 2 months ago

The OP states it was part of Gondwana, maybe that's what makes it different.

If you click through to the microcontinent link that seems to support the idea of microcontinents being pieces broken off a bigger one. But with everything coming from Gondwana then that means all the existing ones are fragments, and the only reason other fragments aren't considered continents is size (e.g. Madigascar).

Zealandia seems to be the Pluto of continents. Too small to be a continent but much larger than the largest microcontinent.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 10 points 2 months ago

It's why there are a lot of cool dinosaurs found only in New Zealand btw

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 20 points 2 months ago

I live in New Zealand and haven't found any dinosaurs. I think they all died.

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 10 points 2 months ago

Did you check the other island? There's lots man

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 months ago

I didn't! But I'll be sure to check the other ones next time I visit.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nope, they're all around you and me and everyone else. They just evolved into things that (usually) have wings. In terms of phylogeny, they're dinosaurs.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 month ago

Well, maybe in theory. NZ has many unique birds not found anywhere else, but they are generally threatened or endangered. If you want to see them in the wild, generally you have to go to a very specific location.

If I look outside, almost certainly all I'll see are European dinosaurs.

So maybe I should correct my statement to say they almost all died out.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

You should double check just to make sure.

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[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Geographical continents and geological continents aren't quite the same thing.

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

That Civilization 6 uses geological continents when the 'continent' key word is used where every other game in the series uses geographical continents for that key word still bugs me.

[-] owatnext@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

That's a debate that transcends culture. Some cultures say there are seven, some say six, and yet others say five.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Seven is wrong no matter your definition of continent, unless you count New Zealand or "because racism."

Depending on your definition there are between four and nine continents, but the definition that includes Europe to make a total of seven necessitates India being its own continent without racism being the primary reason why Europe is a continent and India is not.

(Also if it transcended culture it wouldn't depend on culture for the answer)

(Also some people do say there are seven, because India is a continent with a land barrier and a tectonic plate and Europe is not)

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 4 points 2 months ago

Isn't all of Asia and Europe and Africa connected? I count 4.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 2 months ago

And that's valid, if your definition is just continuous land masses. However, some definitions incorporate ideas of notable narrowings such as the African and Central American connections and continental plates, or even projected drift.

For example, some day the Americas and Africa/Eurasia will separate from continental drift. Some even argue the Americas already are separated thanks to the Panana Canal, humans just hurried the process along.

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[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 31 points 2 months ago

So NZ is technically a mountaintop. Cool!

[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 58 points 2 months ago

All land above water is a mountain top, at a certain scale.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

And all continents are islands at a certain scale.

[-] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Slightly off topic, but this film can be enjoyed as:

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[-] DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Mannnnnn, I wanna live on a billion year old, largely submerged continent. Shit looks dope af. And they seemed to kind win at Pandemic. Great share, thanks!

[-] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 8 points 2 months ago

Just give it a few years. The continent you are currently on will be largely submerged soon enough.

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[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

All this time we've been keeping our true power hidden.

Also, if you mention Zealandia in New Zealand, people will look at you blankly and say "The bird sanctuary?"

[-] grandel@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

With rising sea levels it might end up as No Zealand

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 month ago

Worldbuilding enthusiasts start heavy breathing

[-] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Isn't it called Oceania? Or are they different?

[-] Goodie@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Oceania tends to refer to the region, including both Australia, New Zealand, Melanesia, Micronesia, and the many small island nations.

Sometimes, we are "collectivly" treated as a continent, despite being almost all island nations with no land boarders.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Well we don’t call you landiania

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

Try pointing to New Zealand on a map. I dare you

[-] Hedlosa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago

I mean it's next to Australia, pretty easy to spot ngl

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

That's actually Tasmania.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Ok.

*Points at the part with land.*

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[-] owatnext@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Wait until you hear about Doggerland.

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[-] lath@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Zealandia shall rise again!

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[-] Pirky@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I believe Atlas Pro did a video on it one time. I'll go check.

Edit: Yep

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

wtf it looks like a fat New Zealand. is there an even slimmer version inside NZ?

[-] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Excellent!

Any undiscovered cave entrances from the surfaced part?

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