551
Fun fact about our legal system: we don't do jury trials. The evidence and arguments are heard by the judge, who decides both guilty/not guilty and the sentence.
That’s a terrifying fact about your legal system.
Well, it could be depending on how robust their anti corruption practices are. Because what really makes more sense, 12 citizens, uneducated in law and its application, getting manipulated by differing levels of millionaire depending on the wealth of the defendant/plaintiff? Or a legal expert weighing the facts to determine their strength?
Because, both are open to corruption. The jury of your peers is open to corruption in the ways I’m sure most people on lemmy are familiar with, but the other way, with robust anti corruption laws, would arguably be better.
There's also the fact that appealing a judgement goes to more judges, always different than ones who have seen the case. Basically:
1st judgement -> 1 judge
1st appeal -> 2 different judges (must be unanimous)
2nd appeal -> 3 different judges (must be unanimous)
This makes corruption less common, as getting 6 different judges to all risk their career for a bribe is unlikely.
I'm not going to claim this system is perfect. There are issues with the fact that there is no mechanism for preventing enforcement of an unjust law. If it's on the books and it's an open-shut case, the law will be applied no matter how unjust it is. The inverse is also true though: you can't have unjust rulings that ignore laws the other direction, for example jury nullification of the murder of a black person (used to happen all the time in the US).
Like most things, it's a tradeoff. Some things are better, some are worse.
It would be easier and cheaper for an elite to bribe a hand full of judges then it would be to repeatedly bribe different sets of jurors.
Cheaper? Maybe. Easier? No, not really. Ion Popescu from Bumfuck, Nowhere doesn't have the DNA breathing down his neck, watching for any signs of living outside his means and any unusual bank account activity.
EDIT: To be clear, I'm not saying corruption doesn't happen. It does. I'm just saying it's not automatically much worse than juries.
We have laws against bribery in the US and it still happens. I'm going to assume that it's at least as bad in Romania considering Tate explicitly stated the corrupt justice system is why he moved there. His biggest fuck up was saying that out loud and forcing them to make an example out of him.
Like most things law-related, it's more about enforcement than anything else. Things dramatically improved while our anti-corruption force was under the control of Laura Kovesi. She kicked some serious ass. Now things are treading water a bit, but Romania is not quite the kleptocratic corruptofest it was in the 90s. There's always improvements to be made ofc.
Tate explicitly stated the corrupt justice system is why he moved there
It remains to be seen whether or not he was correct in that assessment.
Well, regardless, neither a fair, nor corrupt justice or police force like to be openly called corrupt. Saying that out loud is the smoothest brain thing to do
load more comments
(4 replies)
You know what's terrifying? Being judged by people who can't be nailed to the cross for perversion of justice. That is, jurors.
Many different countries have use different methods for trials. Some countries reserve jury trials for serious criminal offences, some give the accused the option of a bench trial, and some do a mix of judges with juries.
Phoenix Wright moment
Hey! That fact wasn't fun at all! Interesting, though...
When I think of all the horrible shit that goes on in the world, the thing that keeps me going is that Greta Thunburg is responsible for the Tates getting arrested. Life is wonderful sometimes.
I'm OOTL, can you explain?
legend goes that Greta made the guy mad on xitter and he posted a response that also included a picture of himself with a pizza box, and cops knew where to find him because of the brand on the box, but not sure if it was proven true or not
Supposedly proven false, but I choose to believe because it's funnier that way.
Of course the police would deny it. They can't readily admit to browsing the social media of people they want to arrest for info, it would make the technique less effective. The whole story makes sense though, Tate would have been traveling a lot and it would be difficult to guarantee an arrest.
She also told him off for not recycling the pizza boxes and boom busted. Or so the story goes.
IIRC Tate tweeted at Thunberg something about his cars, and in that photo was a pizza box of a Romanian pizza place which lead to police knowing he was in the country.
i remember that haha funniest shit ever.. and then he became a hc muslim because he got scared in prison
I can't remember the details, and too lazy to search it up right now, but I think it was like Greta and him were having a Twitter argument, and he maybe posted a photo with a background that accidentally disclosed his location, so authorities who were already looking to arrest him were able to act on it.
Pizza box with an identifiable store narrowing down his location. Romanian police say the brothers whereabouts were already known due to an ongoing investigation, but the timing of the arrest sure is funny.
load more comments
(2 replies)
Don't forget to give that fucking moron Adin Ross his flowers too.
There's a lot more good stuff out there. It just doesn't get articles, clicks, or social media shares.
You see mostly things that get you outraged all the time largely because everyone is addicted to outrage.
Literally every sane person on social media called this guy out as a pedo 2 years ago.
I can't believe people STILL idolize him...
Justice is rare and wonderful
Will Ferrell: “Real justice, sooo hot right now.”
Very good.
Lock this fucker up and throw away the key.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving soul.
He keeps getting "caught", put under house arrest, left to his own devices, charges dropped, and then "caught" again.
Beginning to think they're not actually going to sentence this guy
"The manhunt for Tate's chin will continue."
load more comments
(1 replies)
Again?! Throw him in prison already!
that's the idea, im guessing. they need to build a case first
An outcome that was on everyone's bingo card.
Can somebody explain to me why it's taking so long for Tate to get sentenced?
Good. He's a bad person and doesn't deserve to be happy.
What the fuck is it with famous internet people and kids?
Famous internet people are generally willing to exploit people for their own gain. Not all of them, but particularly the most famous and powerful. The ones who aren't usually can't become as large. If you're willing to exploit people for fame, money, and influence, you probably aren't going to stop there.
Yeah, but they can't just get bimbos with big fake tits who love them for their money and not their character like a normal rich asshole?
Do you think normal rich assholes aren't doing this stuff? That's the whole issue with the Epstein stuff. Basically every rich asshole was involved. It takes a certain type of person to become so rich and powerful. Those people tend to like to have even more power over people, which makes minors the perfect target for them.
Never trust a rich and/or powerful person to be good; you'll only be disappointed.
Are you meaning to imply that people with a likely pathological obsession for obtaining and exercising power over others might be driven to seek greater and greater levels of power disparity such as leveraging their position, influence, and money to exploit those who, legally, can have ownership over none of those things and are psychologically and developmentally incapable of informed consent?
If so, all evidence appears to be pointing towards you being correct.
Yes.
Chrystal Kizer did nothing wrong.
Good move by the police here.
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 21 Aug 2024
551 points (99.3% liked)
World News
39102 readers
2410 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS