The "Midwest" would more accurately be named the "Middle East" and the "Middle East" would be more accurately named "West Asia."
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"Europe" would be more accurately named "West Asia" and the "Middle East" would be more accurately called the "Midwest".
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chicago should be gray too
This is exactly why I can't fucking stand the term. Tho I guess it is better than "heartland"
The U.S. Census Bureau's definition consists of 12 states in the north central United States: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin.
so that's the official answer. yes, it includes ohio.
but the real answer is that it's wherever people call carbonated beverages "pop" instead of "soda" or "coke", which means it actually extends eastward to buffalo, ny and definitely still includes ohio.
I'm definitely a midwesterner, born in MO, lived all over the place, and now live in MN.
I've called it "soda" my whole life. "Coke" was definitely confusing in the southeast. "I'll take a coke." "What kind?" "Wtf?"
I think the real lexicological definition is "ope"
Do you ope? If so, you are a midwesterner, there are various flavors of midwesterner, but that is one important characteristic.
"I'll take a coke." "What kind?"
i know a poor soul who moved from the north atlantic seaboard to rural deep southern appalachia and then once worked a drive thru at mcdonald's and had to parse "errinj coke" into a sensible order for an increasingly impatient customer
Do you ope?
as a kind of semi apologetic interjection, right? like "ope! look at the time!"
“Ope, let me just squeeze by ya right here”
"Ope, lemme squeeze past ya and steal the ranch"
I'm definitely a midwesterner, born in MO, lived all over the place, and now live in MN.
I've called it "soda" my whole life. "Coke" was definitely confusing in the southeast. "I'll take a coke." "What kind?" "Wtf?"
I think the real lexicological definition is "ope"
Do you ope? If so, you are a midwesterner, there are various flavors of midwesterner, but that is one important characteristic.
Western Pennsylvania is a special economic zone
special economic zone
Ohio's illegal occupation of Western Pennsylvania cannot be allowed to stand, regardless of the fact that there are ethnic Midwesterners who live in the disputed region, and Ohio's claims that they are protecting this oppressed minority
"The Midwest" are the sacred lands where his holiness St. bhagavan shree Matt Christman (PBUH) was born one glorious day.
Ohio is the leaky reactor core of the midwest, I have no idea what those people are talking about
As far as I'm concerned, all west is "mid" west
people who place the Midwest more in what I’d call [...] "greater minnesota"
Those people are perhaps just minnesotans, I think. Also minnesotans actually already use that exact term inside MN because people who aren't from the twin cities get offended when referred to as "outstate" or "rural" minnesota.
I've taken to calling that area, (MN, WI, IA, MI, maybe a couple more if I'm feeling generous) Upper Midwest so as to not confuse anyone who thinks ohio is the epitome of midwest. The only time I've really spent in Ohio was in steubenville of all places so maybe that's partly why I don't think of Ohio as being particularly midwestern.
yeah there's absolutely an appalachian/western pennsylvania part of ohio that I wouldn't necessarily consider 'midwest'.
I've been to Youngstown (far east OH) and it felt Midwestern. Are you talking SE OH?
Oh hey I've been to Wheeling, WV and that also felt Midwestern. So to me Ohio = Midwest.
Midwest is outdated, imo. More meaningful is to roughly split it into Great Lakes (Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota) and Great Plains (the other ones). But really even that's insufficient. We can get a lot more detailed doing cultural mapping of the US. Like, Ohio is Great Lakes (the north), Appalachia (southeast), upper South (southwest), and great plains (Columbus and west). Most of the other states cross a few different distinct vibes: Southern Illinois is more like Missouri than it is Chicago, but St Louis is more like Chicago than it is the rest of Missouri!
Out of the midwest states. Which one are the "nicest" to live in ?. Like I get the impression some are utter basura but some dont seem that bad from the outside (compared to other US states). Im not an American but interested to learn more.
You really gotta think in terms of cities, not just states. The best places are probably Minneapolis, Chicago, and Cleveland, imo. Detroit has a really unique appeal all its own, too; I just dock it for really bad transit. Minneapolis is the best biking city in the country, Chicago might just be the best American city flat out, and Cleveland is really cheap for the quality of urbanism you get. You'll find good small towns all over the place; Ohio and Michigan are packed with them.
Chicago and all the lands which pay it fealty
Fuck historical context and tradition. Look at a map of the US. Divide it in half vertically down the middle. See the left side? That's the West. Now look at the middle of the West: there's the Midwest.
The Mideast can fuck off. You wanna call yourself Midwest while being in the central and eastern time zones??? Midmid is more accurate in every way.
Divide it in half vertically down the middle
where tho
At every latitude, the line has to move accordingly. It also includes all overseas territories and military bases
I’ve met people from Oklahoma who were mortified to learn the rest of the country considers them part of the South and not the Midwest
I don't consider Oklahoma at all.
They will be happy to know I don’t consider them the Midwest
oklahoma has its own kind of barbecue, it's indubitably southern
Death to America
Midwest is a state of mind 
I have heard the term Midwest before. Upbear because I want to know more US lore as an ameriboo
The US Census Bureau defines the Midwest like this, but I think the Dakotas and most of Kansas and Nebraska are Great Plains, not tha Midwest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States#/media/File:Map_of_USA_Midwest.svg
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Only right answer
Culturally it's Western PA (Pittsburgh and west), Southern Michigan (like everything south of Grand Rapids), through Ohio, Indiana and Illinois, including Iowa Nebraska Wisconsin Missouri and the South eastern parts of South Dakota. Geographically who knows or cares the only real reason to track this stuff is for cultural reasons.
In a mild hell. Seriously though, your assessment of Ohio is on point. I'd say everything surrounding the Great Lakes and throw in Iowa. Some people consider the great plains states like the Dakotas and Nebraska, even Missouri and Kansas but those all have a very different vibe ino.
The midwest is the southeast imo.
Ohio is one state away from the Atlantic Ocean, it clearly shouldn't be Midwest.
The most Midwestern State is Iowa.
It's literally mid.
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