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[–] Angel@hexbear.net 74 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm gonna baselessly call transgender people a bourgeois scheme so that I can feel more leftist for being a bigot rather than less.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 67 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

@nutomic@lemmy.ml this is being misread right? You're opposing the stupid concept that the bourgeoisie are promoting transness (when they are clearly massively funding the hate machine). Right?

Because this is stupid as shit if it's the other way around. It's very clear that any trans support that did occur was simply part of trans falling under the lgbt movement, and that support for lgbt people occurs because pinkwashing is a useful tool of framing the west as "moral" for the purposes of imperialism. This does not make lgbt people (gay or trans) invalid and it is stupid as shit to take that position.

The bourgeoisie's support for lgbt people is as sincere as Israel's support for lgbt palestinians and only someone with eyes blinded by unexamined bigotry chooses not to see that.

[–] brainw0rms@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

@nutomic@lemmy.ml this is being misread right? You're opposing the stupid concept that the bourgeoisie are promoting transness (when they are clearly massively funding the hate machine). Right?

anakin-padme-3

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 64 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"That's interesting. The ass-cleaning topic is clearly promoted by the bourgeoisie, going as far as stocking toilet paper in grocery stores or installing bidets on toilets. Yet the same bourgeoisie is secretly promoting a lack of awareness about and access to good anal hygiene? Seems rather far fetched to me! This is why I as a good Marxist refuse to clean my ass. *smug smug*"

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago

i roll in pig shit daily

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 60 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

Admin of lemmy.ml, everyone

Though dessalines seems better than the other admins, he put transgender patriots in control of lemmy's /c/transgender recently

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[–] Ideology@hexbear.net 52 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Nutomic unfortunately contributes a significant number of commits to Lemmy and they tend to be pretty important bugfixes, core structural changes, and code optimization.

https://github.com/hexbear-collective/lemmy/graphs/contributors

I have personally called him out on the trans issue before but he just doubles down while the rest of the lemmy/lemmygrad community kind of ignores him socially. I don't think he realizes we'd be nice to him like Desslines if he just wasn't an asshole.

I imagine most people here would be chill with Dessalines being a hexbear regular if he wanted to. But I'm not sure what either of them are motivated by since I don't see them around much (could just be alts though).

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[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 47 points 3 months ago

For a self professes Communist you would think he would remember that first they came for trans people, then they came for the Communists.

[–] asante@hexbear.net 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

what in the actual?? guess he's a transphobe too

[–] asante@hexbear.net 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[–] Yor@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago

pathetic P A T H E T I C pathetic

on his official lemmy related account too! he could have said anything else to avoid publicly attaching himself to something so reactionary, but clearly this is a deeply held view for him

[–] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Isn't nutomic pointing out a contradiction in someone else's transphobic rhetoric here?

Transgender topic is pushed by bourgeois

and yet, at the same time bourgeois is pushing anti-trans topic

sounds far fetched to me.

and then off-handedly remarking that the transphobic narrative is off-topic, am I missing something?

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 54 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

IDK, the lie that transgender people are promoted by the bourgeoisie is a common trans exclusionary vulgar materialist line.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 36 points 3 months ago (1 children)

TBH, rainbow imperialism strongly pushes people outside of the West to make this mistake.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah if you base your "analysis" off of relatively surface level things. And even then it's never trans issues specifically.

[–] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

They're replying to someone who seems to have asked if they could develop a browser add-on that interacted with Lemmy. Maybe to filter transphobic spam, and attributed such content as the work of the bourgeoisie? Which they disagree with because they've observed rainbow imperialism. Looks like this was a 1:1 private message on some kind of web site.

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[–] Ambii@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

more context

Yeah that's kinda what it looks like to me, unless i'm missing something.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 33 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Nutomic sucks ass but it should be noted that so does Shinigami Eyes. Leftist acounts that are proactivly critical of democrats or anti-zionist lose their green and go neutral constantly. Most noteably recently I noticed that Shaun lost his green on twitter and youtube. Which has to have been because whether because of an actively liberal admin team or just whatever the algortyhm is being susceptible to bad actors, liberals were able to mass report him as "neutral" for being critical of Biden lol.

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

wtf is the deal with quoting "transphobes"

[–] tocopherol@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago

Just passive sarcasm denying the reality, and what serious comrade would ever ask "why do they need to be "rooted out"?"

[–] Ambii@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah he's still an asshole

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[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago

Hi, where are these "transphobes" and why do they needed to be "rooted out"?

gulag

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago

This makes it look worse, much worse imo

no wonder i have such a bad time on lemmy.ml

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[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

Yeah I feel like we need to see the larger conversation to get an accurate idea of what’s going on here.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago

The "biological men" thing is a transphobic framing.

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Turns out the bourgeoisie aren't a monolith

capitalist-woke eco-porky | porky-point porky-scared

[–] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There was also that time just recently like 1~2 months ago where he was doing some really sussy and shameful hemming and hawing about what did and did not count as CSAM. You can find that in the modlog.

I dunno, it's just a terrible shame, 'cause I had assumed that Nutomic was an upstanding fellow when I first joined Hexbear, and I was very enthusiastic about his Ibis project. To find out that he not only is an asshole who refers to trans women as "biological men" and who defends pedos and fascists, and that these complaints have lasted for years seemingly without any major repercussions is... Sheesh. Like, maybe this guy should not be in anything even remotely approximating a position of power, you know?

Alas, if only I knew how to code. Even before these revelations I'd been imagining my own SLiki idea as potentially functioning a bit similarly to Ibis.

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So that's why pronouns aren't just a core feature in this shitty Reddit clone.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Guy who defends pedos also is a transphobe, surprise surprise.

Seriously, time to get rid of this guy if lemmy.ml is to be taken seriously at all.

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[–] Luna@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago

Me hearing that the devs of Lemmy are leftists 😁

The "leftist" devs:

(I remember something happening a bit ago involving CSAM, can the devs/admins that aren't Dessalines go a metaphorical five seconds without being reactionary?)

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago

Am I missing something or is the "or allowing biological men to compete at the olympics" part that message the most cringe part? Even if you think thats a good thing why the hell are you framing it like that? Especially when you are throwing this in with rainbow capitalism as a "plot of the bourgeious."

[–] Procapra@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I'm so over these clowns. The fact they've not been banned from all of hexbear is kinda shocking to me.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

~~I can generously interpret this as "The bourgeoisie promote the topic in such a way to cause division" a la "transgender boxer" and "oh no, trans people might use the restroom you should be scared", but really it seems like a stretch.~~

cringe

Edit: https://hexbear.net/comment/5208429

Nope, they're just a fuckhead. Send 'em to TERF island and cut off all communication

[–] DirtyPair@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

what a loser

[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ummm the gubermint does handwaving that is an endorsement why would they let hate foster. Cmon huh. They support black lives matter and all that. So ummm I don't see why gubermint would also support systemic racism. Epic analysis 😎

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I like it more here anyways. I might still dip into my .ml account from time to time, but I have a much more enjoyable time here.

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