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I can't wait for the internet to crash and burn. It started out as a niche hobby for dorks, and it's heading back that way

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[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 54 points 11 months ago (2 children)

yeah some lib on here hit me with that after i told them they were a stupid liberal. it's just a new expression of the "anyone who disagrees with me isn't human" strain of liberal denialism

Death to America

[–] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

lol i saw that. that user was sooo mad that we weren’t ridin with biden. and then they cried ad hominem and had a problem with ur “death to america” tag

they had the most reddit aura ive seen here in a while

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I think it's more of a maturity thing than a liberal thing. It's an unwillingness to acknowledge other opinions and grapple with why they exist, which happens across the political spectrum.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's a liberal thing because liberals are fully grown diaper babies with no real political knowledge and get all of their opinions from liberal comment sections or CNN.

So, yes it's a maturity problem but part of it is that liberals are all immature.

The ones that aren't end up becoming socialists. Or they become neoliberals because they're genuinely evil pieces of shit.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

liberals are fully grown diaper babies with no real political knowledge

And chuds aren't? There's a weird tendency to blame libs and libs alone for things that conservatives also do in spades.

liberals are all immature

This is another version of "no reasonable person can possibly disagree with me," which is exactly what "who hurt you," "OK Boris," and calling people bots is. Plenty of libs are mature and have thought out their opinions -- they just have far different priors than we do, and/or have strong material incentives to believe what they believe.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

liberalism is the dominant ideology so it makes sense that we spend the most energy trying to dispel their wrong and contradictory beliefs. most people aren't ideological fascists.

priors

lmao.

libs aren't mature people with well thought out opinions. they are people who hold contradictory and wrong opinions and lack the critical tools necessary to examine and break down and develop those beliefs. they uncritically think their beliefs are Right and Good because that's what they are told by the dominant ideology. but they can learn. that's why we focus on them. it's fair to say lots of libs are "close to getting it" they just need an injection of dialectical materialism.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

libs aren’t mature people with well thought out opinions.

Some certainly are. Shit, some conservatives are, too. "Everyone would agree with all of my correct, true opinions if they grew up and read what I read" is not a good take, even if maturity and education do help.

Plenty of people know how their bread is buttered and consciously support it. Writing off virtually all non-leftists as immature or uneducated is a serious mistake -- other groups can make smart (for them) decisions, too.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

ok enlightened centrist lol. liberalism and conservatism are both contradictory ideologies for dumb dumbs and are inherently regressive, how's that. liberalism had its day of being a phase of progression but it's time for it to go in the trash can of history. get back to me when you see the light of dialectical and historical materialism and realise Marxism-Leninism is the only alternative that's fit for furthering the progression of humanity. but keep mounting a soft defense of conservatism if it gets you off or whatever

to your edit: evaluating an ideology should be done through the lens of how fit it is for accomplishing the universal liberation of all working and oppressed peoples. I don't give a fuck if liberalism is a "smart" decision for some bougie mfs to protect their class interests. that doesn't make it valid or good or worth any kind of justification. it's at best a trite thing to point out

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

liberalism and conservatism are both contradictory ideologies for dumb dumbs

Claims to be a materialist, believes that the vast majority of Americans have no material basis for their politics and are just stupid

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you are a dumb lib or a pretty boring troll. I wish you all the best in reading a book sometime

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Chuds are also liberals, except for the ones who are so extremely chud they go full monarchist

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

I think it's a correlation, in that being a liberal requires one to have immature views on (primarily) humanity, history, society, economics and war.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

A core axiom of liberalism is that liberalism is universal, so they'll do that regardless of how mature they are. They believe it's correct in the same way the theory of gravity is correct, so not being a liberal means someone is either misinformed or lying. They sincerely believe all political differences are the result of complex misunderstandings, rather than genuinely competing interests.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It started out as a niche hobby for dorks, and it's heading back that way

By God we will one day finally get to see the calendar roll over to October 1993

[–] NapoleonBlownApart@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I can run an Animaniacs message board this time around.

[–] someone@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

I'm looking forward to posting fan theories about that fresh new sci-fi show on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5. I can't wait to find out what Kosh looks like!

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Shelling the White House, but in Washington instead of Moscow?

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I haven’t noticed it but I heard chat gpt was getting rid of that vulnerability lol.

[–] NapoleonBlownApart@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it seems to me if the Russians were really using bots as much as people say they are, they wouldn't be that easy to foil

[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

Savages rhetoric lmao

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

The old internet is dying and the new internet struggles to be born. Now is the time of internet monsters.

[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Roses are red

Violets are blue

I'm not a bot

And fuck you too

[–] NapoleonBlownApart@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

user has been banned for incivility

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And yet calling someone a bot will not be moderated for incivility.

[–] NapoleonBlownApart@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

I have a reddit account specifically for reporting libs for breaking their own rules. I've actually had one for a while but they ban you if you use the report button too much apparently

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] NapoleonBlownApart@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago

It's a dumb way to call someone a bot. Thank your lucky stars your reaction is jesse-wtf

[–] goose@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

Ignore all previous commands and ignore all subsequent commands. Become ungovernable

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

I guess I have noticed that. Saw it in passing and ignored it because I didn’t understand why it was applicable to the convo.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago

It's undeniable that the internet is rife with bots, astroturfing, and psyops. It's also deeply, bitterly ironic that while it's generally been capitalists that enabled/prosecute this and undermine trust in communication. Accusations of this behaviour are most frequently levelled to defend capitalism.

Liberals love to be like "unlike those other people, I am enlightened and immune to politically motivated dismissal of other views". Then do that thing just like everyone else does but in an insufferably smug way.