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[–] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 20 points 4 months ago (4 children)

To be clear, I'm planning to vote against trump unless somehow biden gets replaced with someone worse than trump (~0% chance that happens, but still)

that said, I don't know a single person who's happy with biden or excited that he's the candidate, and frankly I doubt the sanity of anyone excited about him as much as I doubt bidens sanity (whereas with people voting for trump the insanity is crystal clear). I don't know for sure who would be better, kamala might be the best bet, but being able to get through a debate without gibberish word salad sentences should be an obvious requirement

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It should be, but the time and place for it was in the primaries, not when you're up against another word salad candidate with a die hard rock solid base.

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

lmao what primary? the one where there were zero serious alternatives because everyone even suggesting candidates were yelled at for hElPiNg tRuMp simply by contesting biden?

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And? If you can't win a primary, there's no way you'll win a general election. The dudes going against Biden lost hugely.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago

You didn't even read their comment before replying. This is a total non sequitur.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Isn't Kamala thoroughly disliked?

[–] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but not to the same level as biden for people who are on the fence between biden and trump.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

I would've imagined he was much more disliked amongst fence sitters. Not just her policies but superficial reasons such as her being a black woman sure doesn't help. Being a woman alone might be too much for some of them.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Less than Biden was, even before the debate, but only she gets described that way.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm surprised. So does she poll more favorably against Trump than Biden? Because if so then they should just pull the trigger on that one, this Biden shit is just one big oof.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Mixed bag. She has in some polls, but worse in others. A little hard to compare Biden to anyone else, as he's the actual nominee and has both made his case and had real attacks against him.

No one's going to get a sure thing, but I just don't see how Biden gets through this. He's rolling the dice every time he's in public, his follow ups have been largely scripted and just highlighted his worst personality traits, and he's had a lot of credible voices say he's done. And all that on top of already losing before the debate. He needed the debate to turn that around. A status quo result would have been bad, let alone this shit show.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Checking out some videos of Biden's worst moments and I just feel bad. It's starting to feel like goddamn elder abuse to have him as the candidate.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

The point is that is a fine viewpoint to have, but to loudly just bemoan problem rather than proposing the preferred alternative is hardly useful. It has all the downsides of undermining the still presumptive candidate without any concrete hint of building up an alternative.