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US involved in Israeli operation in Nuseirat that killed over 200 Palestinians
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Glad to see 4 hostages rescues. Fuck Hamas.
How deranged do you have to be to think that it's okay to murder more than 200 innocent people to save 4? Imagine that there's a hostage situation somewhere near you, and the outcome is "we saved the 4 hostages, unfortunately 200 bystanders died". I can not comprehend how you can be so mentally disturbed that you can be okay with that.
Person you are replying to didn't do that in comment you are replying to.
They meant to say it as they already commented
Ah. Misreply.
I mean, say what you want but 100% dozens of those 200 are Hamas terrorists. He's not wrong. Heck, we don't even know if it was indeed 200 killed.
Also how is nobody here even a bit mad over Hamas hiding hostages in a refugee camp?
Because we they’re scorpions.
You only express anger at things that you think can change.
You just express depression at things that are wrong that you know you can’t.
We are mad at Israel because we expect more from them than we do from terrorists.
It’s the same reason we get mad here in the USA when our country does something stupid and shitty like invading Iraq to try and finish the job that your daddy couldn’t.
That's an actually really solid case.
I do think though that the world also needs to help Israel in the fight against Hamas. You can't expect them to both be humane with the same standard as the rest of the west, while they're the only ones being constantly attacked (and very effectively so).
So while you can and should expect change from the situation, you can't expect it to come for free and one sidedly.
I think we have been very generous so far, more so than a lot of us would like
Glad to see 4 hostages rescued too.
Fuck Israel for their thinking 4 people are worth that.
"We know where our people are but Hamas has surrounded themselves with their own citizens. What should we do?"
"Damn. I guess we'll have to abandon our people then. Pack it up."
Stop letting Hamas' tactic work on you.
Or, you know, they could just get them all back by agreeing to a peace deal and not killing anyone
Isarel: Forcibly displaces people again, again and again, cramming them into less and less space.
You: Why is Hamas surrounding itself with Civillians, that is so evil!!!
Israel: Lets use aid trucks to bring our fighters in and slaughter random people. It is a clear warcrime to abuse humanitarian infrastructure to transport combatants, but who cares.
You: Oh my gosh. They did so well with their war crimes. It is totally justified because i am closeted racist, so who cares about women and children being murdered if they aren't part of my group
Y'all mind if we stop pretending Hamas isn't totally cool with getting their own citizens killed?
https://web.archive.org/web/20230530025152/http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/world/09fighter.html
This is such a tired response, I've already replied to it here.
Ah yes the NYT, that bastion of truth regarding the Israelis.
Did they ever figure out who leaked all that?
They sure spent a lot of time trying to figure out who leaked it instead of actually strengthening their journalistic practices
We’ll ignore the fact that martyrdom is tightly intertwined with their religion.
They’re religious fanatics. Similar to US conservatives which I assume you’d have no problem criticizing.
Your reply doesn’t address my assessment of Hamas’ attitude toward their own citizens. It’s nice and snarky though and will do well here on Lemmy.
So, this comes down to trusting NYT reporting, something they have shown they are not capable of deserving.
Hummus are terrorists, fuck them and I hope that anyone involved in terroristic activities dies in pain.
I like how you completely ignored everything I said though.
You didn't say shit. You conveyed your distrust of NYT.
I guess we only have the EU to reference here too: https://www.voanews.com/a/eu-condemns-hamas-for-using-civilians-at-gaza-hospitals-as-human-shields-/7353026.html
Should I find more?
Doesn’t VoA stand for voice of America?
Again, you're overly concerned with the source rather than the content. Do you think VOA is making up an EU condemnation?
That can't be because anyone who thinks that would simply open another tab in their browser and look for a different source which may corroborate this one.
So you just want to be obtuse. Literally nothing I say will convince you. Considering that, I think we're done here.
For anyone else reading the thread: https://apnews.com/article/european-union-condemn-hamas-human-shields-2c0d1c04cb38fc4acce37d8d624e1a3f
There you go! A source that is not a state owned media by the US you r one that has not already been tainted by showing a clearly Israeli bias and then trying to cover up and exterminate the leaks.
We all know that they are using human shields, they are complete and total bastards.
That still does not make it okay for that ratio.
I can accept that there will be a ratio, there’s no helping that but 1 adult for 5 children is too high.
That is using the lowest number I have seen and only addressing children.
Would you be okay with 5 kids dying to save you?
4 adults for 23 kids is not worth it.
I would say that everyone of them should be reminded what their rescue cost repeatedly, but that’s not fair to them and the others are like you and think the trade is worth it.
Stop letting Israel’s tactics work on you.
Darn. Guess we just have to let Hamas and anyone who comes after do whatever they want as long as they keep their human shields nearby.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to be okay with killing kids friend.
It’s s probably just “they’re brown”
Keep reducing everything to the color of people’s skin and you’ll continue to be confused about lots of other people’s positions on a wide variety of topics.
I’m sure it makes life simpler for you though.
Just in case you’re not totally gone, consider the Russia Ukraine conflict.
If Ukraine took action to recover their kidnapped citizens and it ended like this one did, I’d hold the exact same position. And gasp their skin is white!
Unlike lots of “progressives”, my opinion of right and wrong doesn’t change with people’s skin color.
You didn't even need to use that conflict as an example. Most Israelis are brown.
They’re less brown then the people they’re killing and unfortunately that’s all that matters to a lot of people.
Ok, you’re just a regular piece of shit, not a racist one.
I guess that’s better
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