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Everytime I here individualism brought up by someone from Hexbear or Lemmygrad, it gets talked about as if it's categorically bad and wrong. Why is that?

This goes against everything I've learned in the states, where we consider individualism a necessary part of being a responsible and moral person, whereas collectivism strips us of our humanity and turns us into subhuman insectoid creatures incapable of thought.

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[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 44 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The cornerstone of Marxism, however, is the masses, whose emancipation, according to its tenets, is the principal condition for the emancipation of the individual. That is to say, according to the tenets of Marxism, the emancipation of the individual is impossible until the masses are emancipated. Accordingly, its slogan is: "Everything for the masses."

J.V Stalin, Anarchism of Socialism.

There is no, nor should there be, irreconcilable contrast between the individual and the collective, between the interests of the individual person and the interests of the collective. There should be no such contrast, because collectivism, socialism, does not deny, but combines individual interests with the interests of the collective. Socialism cannot abstract itself from individual interests. Socialist society alone can most fully satisfy these personal interests. More than that; socialist society alone can firmly safeguard the interests of the individual. In this sense there is no irreconcilable contrast between "individualism" and socialism. But can we deny the contrast between classes, between the propertied class, the capitalist class, and the toiling class, the proletarian class?

On the one hand we have the propertied class which owns the banks, the factories, the mines, transport, the plantations in colonies. These people see nothing but their own interests, their striving after profits.

They do not submit to the will of the collective; they strive to subordinate every collective to their will. On the other hand we have the class of the poor, the exploited class, which owns neither factories nor works, nor banks, which is compelled to live by selling its labour power to the capitalists which lacks the opportunity to satisfy its most elementary requirements. How can such opposite interests and strivings be reconciled? As far as I know, Roosevelt has not succeeded in finding the path of conciliation between these interests. And it is impossible, as experience has shown. Incidentally, you know the situation in the United States better than I do as I have never been there and I watch American affairs mainly from literature. But I have some experience in fighting for socialism, and this experience tells me that if Roosevelt makes a real attempt to satisfy the interests of the proletarian class at the expense of the capitalist class, the latter will put another president in his place. The capitalists will say : Presidents come and presidents go, but we go on forever; if this or that president does not protect our interests, we shall find another. What can the president oppose to the will of the capitalist class?

J.V. Stalin, Marxism vs. Liberalism

[-] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

But I have some experience in fighting for socialism

Love how understated he is in his writings.

The capitalists will say : Presidents come and presidents go, but we go on forever; if this or that president does not protect our interests, we shall find another.

I wonder if he knew about the business plot already at this time, or if it's your standard communist Cassandra powers

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well the investigation into the buisness plot was being spun up at the time this piece came out. It's always possible Soviet intelligence had a clue what was going in, but without conclusive evidence it's hard to say.

I'd chalk it to bit of both.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

Was lookin' at this thread, thinkin' "all the bullshit amercanism spews about LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, the individualist bullshit, all the stuff you could actually want or need from that is achieveable through collectivism eventually anyway" and it turns out some old guy with a big moustache came to that conclusion decades before I was born.

stalin-pipe

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