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Wtf is DEI?
It stands for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
It's essentially another way to treat minorities more fairly, so (American) conservatives want to get rid of it
On paper.
In practice, it's more bureaucratic wall papering and cya, intended to obscure industry practices that continue to almost exclusively promote through nepotism and political graft.
Access to government contracts and Senate seats and Ivy League fraternities and Wall Street bank management positions continues to be a White Boys Only club.
What flavor of MAGA kool-aid you be sipping? Let me give you some nutrition.
Before DEI: two candidates, A and B, are equally qualified for a job. Candidate A is a straight white male. Candidate B is woman, person of color, or a member of the LGBTQ+ community. Result: Candidate A will get hired.
With DEI: two candidates, A and B, are equally qualified for a job. Candidate A is a straight white male. Candidate B is woman, person of color, or a member of the LGBTQ+ community. Result: Candidate B might get hired.
"Barnett said he found discarded sharp metal shavings near electrical systems for the flight controls at Boeing’s factory in South Carolina," darn diversity metal shavings! "Barnett told the BBC that he became aware of faulty installation of the aircraft's oxygen systems, which could deprive some breathing masks of oxygen in the event of an emergency." Darn diverse oxygen systems! Sauce
Jesus fuck. This whole infographic begs the question: "Do you consider Italians white?"
I'm not saying it's the pinnacle of intellectual achievement but they DID officially put that out: https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333
For all the Newsweek agitprop, it should be noted that "Whiteness" isn't clearly defined. Its a political definition that can include East Indians and exclude Poles and the Irish, depending on who is writing the law.
In a city like NY, with a very long and tawdry record on race politics, it can get confusing for a person wandering through a history exhibit to understand how and why certain ethnic cohorts gain or lose their "White" qualifier. So a museum establishing some kind of historically informed guideline to clarify can be helpful. Particularly when so much of their audience may be themselves or have relatives in their own living history who did not qualify as they do today.
I found it funny that when applying for jobs with the NYC government, Italians were not actually considered white. They were included in the affirmative action policies with other minorities. Definitely shows how the category of whiteness can evolve.
I mean, its amusing at first glance. But half my family is Italian. Quite a few of them have stories from parents/grandparents, etc about the genuinely nasty racist policies the city had towards Italians, Latinos, and Irish ex-pats - everything from redlining policies and employment blacklists to police gangs brutalizing relatives and government officials refusing to honor debts or outright stealing property unimpeded.
The social and legal justifications used are all common to the Smithsonian "Aspects of Whiteness" list above. Italians were generally described as a lazy, untrustworthy, dimwitted, and even sub-human population. They were accused of everything from vagrancy and slobbery to organized pedophilia. And that, unsurprisingly, had an impact on Italian immigrant community abilities to accrue wealth and status in the city and the surrounding areas.
That's much less true now (although curiously not entirely absent, depending on who you talk to). But the legacy of discrimination has a real downward impact on plenty of people's livelihoods to this day. If nothing else, there's a ton of NYC real estate in the hands of grandchildren of kleptocrats who profited by seizing it from folks lower on the racial totem pole.
Great points!
Citing "Forbes", a magazine owned and operated by a former Republican Presidential candidate and The Wall Street Journal, a Murdoch publication, in the center of the spectrum is... definitely one way to weight the scales. Bloomberg, a publication entirely by and for Wall Street, is center-left? Hell, the State Department's favorite news network, MSNBC, is in the same column as Jacobin and The Intercept?
Come on, dude.
I can name at least one
This is such a stretch, and you’re only doing it so you can be a bigot.
When bad things happen most people will look for a cause or explanation instead of just blaming black people and women.
Objection: that's entirely unproven and merely your opinion.
That's precisely what I'm doing. And I'm not even saying that is WAS black people or women, just that it looks rather likely.
I mean, it IS possible that perhaps, maybe, SOMETIMES they're at fault? Or is it always straight white men that are to blame?
It only “looks rather likely” from the perspective of a racist. I would look to an explanation that doesn’t require conspiracy theory levels of mental gymnastics.
I saw the maga crowd bitching about woke politics being to blame when the Key Bridge collapsed, but I didn’t think they genuinely believed something so fucking braindead. Apparently I was wrong!
Why don’t you prove your ingenius “women of color saboteurs” theory? Maybe with something a little more substantial then “you don’t know where those metal shavings came from, so it’s probably woke politics.” For all the evidence you’ve presented, those metal shavings may as well have spontaneously generated.
Also if you absolutely insist on keeping up the whole racism thing, you should expect people to be rather curt with you, if not outright hostile. Wild as it is, kind society doesn’t take kindly to racists.
Okay, then what's your explanation for this? And stay on topic please, the Key Bridge incident has nothing at all to do with Boeing.
that there isn’t a boogeyman to blame everything on, for starters
You’re either incredibly stupid or willfully ignorant. There’s no real functional difference though, both roads lead to the bad actor you are today.
Aw babe, you’re so cute when you can’t read.
I got you. I think you missed a part on your poster.
Lmao how fucking retarded do you have to be to think that the quality problems at Boeing are a result of hiring practices? Holy fuck dude don't forget to breathe.
Ah yes, I'll just call my opponent a retard, that'll teach 'em.
It's embarrassing to think I would consider you an "opponent"
You think Boing airplanes are falling apart because of some women and black people having worked on them? I want you to know that my 9 year old niece and I are currently laughing at you.
Okay, that's fine, but it's not going to change my mind.
We didn't forget, we just never invented this crazy fantasy in our heads in the first place.
As an aerospace engineer: ahahahahah. Not. Take your insecurities elsewhere. Preferably to a therapist, instead of externalizing your self-hatred.
I don't hate myself. I don't even hate you or any of the other people giving my shit. You are merely projecting and you should probably take your own advice.
Even with DEI practices, white straight males still hold a strong majority of the upper management positions; so whenever you hear about the evils of DEI while indulging in your daily Fox News, Daily Wire, or Newsmax, remember that the buck stops with some white straight males. Hence why blaming DEI for a decrease in quality makes no logical sense.
Most doctors are still straight white males. Most airline pilots are still straight white males. Most of the people who are making major company decisions are still straight white males.
DEI is when you outsource to the lowest bidder
Correction: it's how you SELL outsourcing to the lowest bidder.
Normally, companies don't want to reduce labor costs. But with DEI, we can trick them into it?
Was the problem with McDonald Douglas also the number of PoCs on payroll?
No, companies ALWAYS want to reduce labor costs, but normally we hate them for it. With DEI, we're giving them a way they can make it socially acceptable.
Who is "we"? I've seen far too many folks survive a round of layoffs with a shit eating grin, because they like who got cut.
Uh, IDK, have you spent any time at all on Lemmy? Every day it's company X did this horrible thing, company Y did that horrible thing, capitalism bad, corporations evil. Except when it comes to DEI, then suddenly everyone jumps to defend a megacorporation who seemingly literally just had a guy murdered for trying to speak out about quality control issues that may have lead to actual life-threatening accidents because it might be racist.
You've already been slapped down on this. The Boeing mechanical failures had dick-all to do with their DEI policy and everything to do with their McDonald Douglas management style.
That Boeing acquired McDonald Douglas in 1997 and incorporated its administrative offices into their company? That's hardly a secret. But here's an Atlantic article on the subject if you're curious.
Completely untrue. You are the guy in the meme.
Ah yes, brilliant argument. You have completely convinced me of the error of my ways. /s
You haven't made a rational argument so why are you whining when you don't get rational answers? Make an argument backed by actual evidence.
I taught engineering courses for 10 years and have worked in the field longer than that, and I can assure you there is rarely a such thing as a "most competent person for the job." Especially once you get to the highest levels of performance.
I can also assure you that teams which are allowed to stay familiar and homogeneous (eg, a bunch of bros who live together) and are never pushed to include diversity of experience and background rarely achieve anything notable compared to teams who are pushed beyond their cultural comfort zones. Anecdotally, the effect could not be more clear, and there's plenty of peer reviewed literature documenting this.
Tl;Dr - mechanical diversity has intrinsic value. Read a book
HR: "Hey, just for our records, are you a minority?"
Me: "I'm 1/64th Cherokee"
HR: "Close enough!"
Corporate PR Department: "We are a Majority First Nations run business."