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It's the dunk tank.
This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.
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Me waiting for someone to point at any time unconditionally promising to vote Democrat has actually brought about measurable change to the Democratic Party in a positive direction.
also lmao at them posting this to .world where they know we can't respond. @Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com come here and say that to our faces you fucking coward.
The qualifier at the end there is because there's lots of proof that moderates/independents threatening to vote for Republicans or not vote has in fact forced measurable change out of Democrats on many occasions.
I have been thinking about this more and more lately, and I think the push needs to be for people to vote for a third party if they have the option or otherwise leave a candidate blank, not to stay home. If people just stay home, the Democrats can waive them off and keep moving the party to the right. If Genocide Joe loses because a bunch of people voted for a third party candidate to the left of Biden, they can't ignore that easily.
That's one of the merits of the "uncommitted" thing, is people are still going and voting and it's just not for Joe
Staying home should not be an option considering the importance of state ballot initiatives, constitutional amendments, school board and city council seats, etc.
The presidential Ballot is not as important as those local elections.
Why would you assume this and not the simpler explanation this was always the preferred course of action by the overwhelming ruling class and this perceived threat or the electoral game is itself just an excuse.
Another popular theory is the democrats have always been controlled opposition, people repeat this often, they're not meant to do or believe any leftist position.
"The democrats are moving right" is a popular narrative but were they ever to the "left" to the begin with? For example you can say yes you can also give a counter example of them doing outright right wing policies.
No matter how we decide, even if we take the dems as actual "left" on the American political discourse, I'm still not realy convinced they're moving right because of these right wing voters.
On the contrary I think the Democrats realized that Blue MAGA is real, their voters are just as unprincipled as they are, they only care about winning therefore they don't even have to pander to leftist positions anymore therefore giving the imagine they're moving right, no perhaps they just stopped pretending to be leftists at all.
I think that's a useful talking point to reach some kind of common ground with people who have faith in the capacity of the political system to produce positive outcomes, but I don't. Voting will not save us. Not voting will not save us. The Democratic Party is the left wing of capital. As a structure it is not responsive to any democratic process. It's possible that they lose in November. If the Greens or the PSL get 10% or 20% of the vote, they will not see that and think we need to seriously rethink our strategy, only those prole traitors fucked us. maybe we can send some of them to the camps to peel off more votes in the red state suburbs. Look at the UK. the liberal party has been consistently eating shit for over a decade, and it's only made them more contemptuous and hostile to social progress.
the only road forward runs through the rubble of their system. we will never win a thing by begging or yelling or holding our breath. we need to learn how to fight again.
@Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com if you're circlejerking with neoliberals over on .world, maybe you aren't much of a leftist.
db0 are 9/10 worthless techbro wankstains on par with programming.dev in the first place; so I automatically have my doubts
I've been lectured multiple times by the instance owner about how it's definitely an anarchist instance and I'm just a sectarian hypocrite, so you can see why I might couch things a certain way.
Also while you're here, point out all the memes we've been posting to convince people (ourselves??) not to vote. Please.