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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by AVincentInSpace@pawb.social to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[-] index@sh.itjust.works 32 points 8 months ago

but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election.

Anyone who isn't brainwashed by government propaganda and who is in good faith knows that supporting corrupted criminals is never the smart thing to do and that keeping voting for the "lesser evil" is exactly how sooner or later you end up with a dictator in power.

Not voting isn’t going to stop the genocide in Gaza.

Not supporting these fueling the genocide is indeed a way to stop the genocide. The US will continue to do as it please them and aid israel government because they are confident that neither red or blue will lose the elections and they will not lose any power. Unsupporting these parties will force them to change their policies not to lose any votes and lose their monopoly on power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war

There's a genocide happening right now where thousand of kids already were murdered and keep getting murderer as we speak. For these innocent people and not for the love of any god people should overthrow and fight the corrupted criminals that are making it possible, not supporting scum is already the smallest thing you should do.

[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

keeping voting for the “lesser evil” is exactly how sooner or later you end up with a dictator in power.

Do you have a source for this claim? The US has been voting this way for 250 years, and it's citizens have more rights than ever so forgive me for being a little bit skeptical.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

it’s citizens have more rights than ever so forgive me for being a little bit skeptical.

How's those rights to bodily autonomy going?

[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago

That's not a source for your claim.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm a different user. I'm talking about your claim about the U.S. having more rights than ever, not the other claim.

[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Cool story new person, you still didn't provide a source.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Because I'm talking about a different thing, and I was asking a question.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 3 points 8 months ago

And no response from them but it's people complaining who are wrong cause it makes them feel bad and it can be waived away with "but I'm sure it's better now, it's good for me"

Same argument every time. Sure harm reduction isn't working but maybe you haven't tried being up against a bad enough harm and also we need to not make a sound or else Mommy might come in and beat us for being upset.

Complaints about the system and setup we are in are more upsetting to those that can ignore it than the issues themselves.

[-] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 8 months ago

I think these parties would sooner abandon no-voters who want change rather than actually change.

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