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They are getting smuggled. Full-auto guns are only difficult to do legally in the US. Pretty sure smugglers don't care about the law.
Where do the smugglers obtain machine guns? Because something tells me they're not smuggling individual guns worth 20k to Haiti. The only people with access to newer machine guns would be the government weather its military or clandestine agencies. So your smugglers are government connected.
Depends, are we talking full auto AR "machine guns" or actual machine guns like the FN Minimi or bigger?
Because full auto conversions for semi-auto rifles are easy to do. Actual machine guns are harder to come by, but still obtainable if you can get the right FFL and SOT license and either make your own or order them from manufacturers for "resale".
Depends on scale for me. Like if there are a high number of automatic ARs going to Haiti I'd start wondering who has the capacity to alter that many guns quickly and traffic them. If its like one or two rifles a reporter heard firing very rapidly then who knows how it got there or when it was modified.
Any competent person with a little mechanical ability can do a conversion: https://www.recoilweb.com/turning-your-ar-15-into-an-m-16-150631.html
Given the size of the US, I'm sure you could find a couple guys to do it. Or even in Haiti, if you got the parts. And the parts aren't hard to come by, the whole rifle is harder.
ARs are very easily converted, but some other rifles are not so easy. Ultimately any rifle that as an automatic version will be easy to convert.
The UN Report lists all of the above PLUS "Belt Fed Machine Guns". Where da fuk are those coming from?
Armies are very good at getting their stuff stolen.
Haiti doesn't have an Army and it's not possible to steal THAT much inventory from the US Military without getting caught. It is possible for something to "fall off the back of the truck" occasionally but that kind of opportunity is extremely limited.
Those AK47s are the same way, they can't be purchased here...at least not in Full Auto form and the weapon that guy in the first picture is holding ALSO isn't available for over the counter purchase in the United States. They may be "coming" from the US in that they are being shipped from Florida to Haiti but the United States itself almost certainly isn't the original source.
Well there's stolen and “stolen” if it's actually the CIA sending it over.
Haiti doesn't have an army now. They had several military branches, and paramilitary groups too, up until 1995. Those groups were definitely armed. Where do you think the guns went when they were disbanded?
I don't know where "here" is for you, but you can definitely buy AKs like that in most parts of the US.
Edit: actually I'm not sure what that rifle even is. It looks like an AK, but has an AR stock and what looks like a STANAG magazine... But the ejection port is only big enough for pistol rounds like 9mm. Given that, and the variety of guns in the other picture, I think they're just getting whatever they can, wherever and whenever they can, so we're not talking crates full of ARs coming over from the US very recently.
Well, it piqued my curiosity and now I think I have figured it out, which makes this far more interesting. The Galil Ace civilian version was an extremely limited run with less than 1100 total rifles being made, all for the US market and all chambered in 5.45x39. The rifle in the title picture of this article complaining about the flood of US guns depicts a gun that was never sold to any US civilian nor used by any US government agency (there is a slight chance of a handful of highly restricted and tracked "dealer samples" existing). If you look at the list of users for the 5.56 version of the Galil Ace you will notice that it is used by several Central and South American governments/police forces as well as... Haitian police forces.
It's a Galil Ace in 5.56, the ejection port is larger than the small spot you're looking at. The original Galil was very close to an AK, the ACE diverged quite a bit more but uses the same basic design. I don't know enough about them to tell if it's a civilian SA receiver or not, they're fairly rare in the US. Definitely a boutique gun for collectors and not something that falls into the black market much. No way to tell for sure but I would guess there's a decent chance it wasn't sourced from the US.
In that case I have a song that I think is appropriate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjhlgdfhfWk
There's probably nary a Haitian that would be surprised if it turns out the US is arming their gangs. This song is 24 years old now.
I have to say there is no such thing as a full automatic rifle. There are Automatics or Semi- Automatics! Just read it to often and started twitching lol!
Barbeque seems pretty flush.
Are they easily available illegally, especially in the amounts that they'd get sold and shipped to Haiti?
A lot of semiautomatic mechanisms can be converted to select fire with very little tooling or investment, you don't need legally detained “machine guns” per the NFA definition to smuggle guns, anything cheap and untraceable enough will do.