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How many bus full of Mexicans must get slaughtered before he will fight them on behalf of Mexicans?
Apparently you've missed out on some wild combat footage since he was elected... I think you have a little catching up to do.
Like, are you aware that the cartels have weapons only issued to US military service members? Or that Mexico won a US lawsuit against US gun manufacturers for facilitating weapon smuggling?
This is why you don't want neoliberals for neighbors.
Mexican police went to America to be trained by their military. When police were sent back, they abandoned the government and became one of the most vicious and capable cartels on the planet.
Yeah, and some of the cartels have also been run by ex US special forces operators.
These groups are not just some homegrown militias - although it's also important to recognize that they are not altogether opposed to supporting local communities when they aren't at war with the government (e.g., during covid).
It's not a simple situation, and there's no simple domestic solution. Thinking Mexico can gun them down is irrational, or naive at best.
If I was a rouge security agency who wanted to smuggle drugs into the US to fund secret, illegal and immoral wars around the world, I'd use a cartel just like that one.
They received the imperialism masterclass.
I'm aware. And I think that's a US cultural thing not neoliberal. Most of Europe wouldn't contribute to the weapon issue if they were next to Mexico.
But on the main topic, sure there is some crazy footage but he still is using a padded stick.
Then grab a gun and go show them how it's done!
All NATO weapons sent to Ukraine are 100% accounted for and would never end up in the hands of criminals (the fascist Ukrainian state excluded). Nope, nothing to see here. Just peaceful Europe.
Big yikes. Russia is a facist, terror state and no amount of finger pointing and projection will change that.
You have literally 0 evidence for that claim. And to send weapons to Europe then back to Mexico would be a lot of work.
Much more likely its regular old US military corruption or weapon manufacturer corruption along with smuggling on the border.
Need to be the akshually guy here. Russia is a deeply authoritarian state which has gotten a lot more authoritarian post war. However, it isn't fascist yet.
Yeah maybe it isn't considered to be yet. However it's pretty rich to hear pro Russian people calling Ukraine fascists as Russia continues move towards fascism.
True
The tankies love to slurp up Russian propaganda that Ukraine are fascists and that's why Russia are the good guys. If Russia isn't fascist then I don't know which country is, but if there were a scale then Russia is significantly closer to fascism than Ukraine.
I didn't say anything about Russia. Don't change the subject.
https://jacobin.com/2024/03/ukraine-us-weapons-defense-department
It may be the USA sending the weapons, but its with the backing of Ukraine's EU neighbors, part of NATO, who completely support them.
It really seems like he has been fighting them, at least significantly more than previous presidents
How is this “fight” being represented? I ask, because in more than one occasion he’s been seen being close to El Chapo’s mother, do you mean he’s “fighting” cartels by negotiating with them? Or does this fight mean rather things like shouting “more hugs, less shootings”, or his menacing “I’ll tell on you to your mothers!” to the cartels?
Fighting them is gonna cause way more bus loads to die then just leaving them be. The cartels aren't evil psychopaths who kill for fun, they know violence is bad for business. The only downside to leaving them alone is they'll send more drugs to the u.s which isn't Mexico's problem.
I don't believe that. Other Central and South American countries have had success meeting the cartels head on.
Sure some short term death spikes but the long term result is a drastic reduction in violent deaths.
"Some of you are going to die... But that is a sacrifice, I am willing to make."
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You make it sound like I'm a dictator forcing people into a war.
I'm just being pragmatic. They have a large military tasked with protecting their citizens. Some of the Cartels are very much arguably terrorist organization. Indiscriminately murder and torture people in a very public way in order to scare others.
Fighting them would probably be painful at first but it would make the country a safer place in the end.
Not your call to make or even think about advocating for, ESPECIALLY not in the year 2024, gringo; continually talking like it is just outs you as a yankee chauvinist. Put your money where your mouth is and fight 'em yourself; at least even the fascist redditors that went to bat for Ukraine actually flew out rather than sitting back from a well-conditioned suburb like a FIVE-EYES armchair general.
Well, some of 'em at least. Packwatch.
Ok you got a serious cass of brain rot. I guess this is what I get for replying to a .ml tanky. Calls me a Gringo to just dismiss everything I said. Real insightful.
No shit it's not my call to make, I'm not a Mexican politician. However this is a English forum discussing the topic. Just because I'm an American doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to talk about a topic. In fact Cartels and America is pretty intertwined. As is Mexico and America. I also have family in Mexico. And so do a very, very large percentage of Americans.
Not really sure why you are so adamant on defending the Cartels. Unless your anti American fog is so bad that you can't see past the fact I'm American.
That's where you're wrong kiddo! 🤭
And where are you from?
Same place, and as an American I can not shut up lol
You really think I'm gonna side with genocidal Amerikan suburbanites on any geopolitical conflict after the last twenty years of Anglo bullshit inflicted upon the world at large? Ion't believe shit you just said. Physically can't.
Ahh it finally comes out. You're just a hateful individual. You're so blinded by whatever hateful propaganda you have been eating up over the years you can't even have a normal discussion on a topic with an American.
And more assumptions. I live in a big ass city :)
Whatever guero
So the US can fill the power vacuum with more cartels again? Are you just looking to give the MIC more money?
What, so you can do to Mexico what Israel is doing to Palestine? Stay within your own borders, genocider.
Wait really? Hey China, this guy says it's okay if you go bomb Washington! Please we're dying out here, hurry up