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[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't believe in free will meaning that what ever you did you could not have done otherwise. We live in a deterministic universe and all events are part of a causal chain

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What difference does it make?

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Less judgement for other people mostly. Feeling hate towards someone is almost impossible for me. It's a nonsensical emotion which implies that they could be otherwise. I still dislike some people and don't want to be around them but I don't blame them for it.

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But if judgement also works in a purely deterministic way then it has a role to play. One doesn't have to have agency (free will) in order for the negative experience of judgement to result in improved behaviour. Rational judgement discerns whether or not the punishment will reasonably bring about an improvement. As it does in many cases then it doesn't matter that the world's deterministic, good judgement can make it better.

(E.g. it might not be someone's "fault" that they're a mass murderer, but society is still taking the right course of action by denouncing their beliefs and restricting their freedom)

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah I agree that no free will doesn't mean we can't affect our own or other people's behaviour. Punishment itself doesn't make any sense but the fear of punishment does deter bad behaviour and yeah obviously mass murderers needs to be locked up. Not as a punishment but to protect others

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I more feel sadness that they weren't given the tools to be different and endeavor to provide those tools for people like them in the future.