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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 355 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Gen Z seems to be refusing to swallow the bullshit the rest of us grew up having fed to us. A shame I'll be close to aging out by the time they get much political power.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 165 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Bullshit from decades ago was easier to swallow because at least people had a chance to make money and have a decent job while also paying a bit less for things like food, shelter or some luxuries.

Now people have no choice ... they get paid less, they have no security and they have to pay more for food and shelter.

People were always aware of the bullshit ... in the past we could put up with it because we could afford it ... now people can't.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 91 points 2 years ago

Cost benefit analysis. I'm Gen-X and we had to deal with both Silent Gen "company loyalty" and Boomer toxic bullshit, but that was fine because we got a lot out of it and we were able tondo our own shit. In other words, a positive cost benefit analysis. Greed tilted that until it is now not worth it. Its funny how some people love capitalism until the system demands that they adjust. Sorry corpos, if you want a resource, you have to pay fair market value.

[–] ki77erb@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago

I agree with the article. Gen Z are more open to sharing their life with the world. I wouldn't say early generations just swallowed the bullshit. They just didn't have a platform to express it to the masses. In the 70s or 80s if you got fired, maybe you reacted the same way, demanding a reason and expressing your frustration. But the only people who witnessed that, were the ones in the room and later on your buddies when you told them the story.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't need to wait for them to get political power, start organizing a union and get that toxic shit out of your workplace now

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know, I'm an organizer for a 650 person unit. It takes time and energy, but it's worth it.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

I mean, I genuinely think that all we need is a *How to unionize for dummies" like a video or guide. I'm pretty clever, pretty Marxist and I still found myself overwhelmed when I wanted to start the process in my last job. Calling a local Local didn't help much either.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Guillotines aren't particularly difficult to assemble.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are exceedingly difficult to get away with using, nowadays, unfortunately.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago

Well, not with that attitude.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you could ask for early retirement now then they would get power that much quicker

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd have to not be a broke Gen-Xer for that to make much sense.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh i feel ya. I just get ideas when im stoned.

Adopt both UBI and lower retirement to 45 at the oldest.

The world will be an amazing place

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Oh boy I can dream. 🙂

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're literally following a TikTok Trend. They're submerged deep into bullshit and eating it up.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And for many of them it will bite them in the ass.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah the Gen-Xers who have been beaten into submission acknowledge that not having a job or any prospects kinda sucks.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

I was more thinking about the laws against recording people, and particularly publishing those recordings. Along with the recordings being proof of other things, like maybe the person who took snacks on their way out could be accused of theft.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

thats everyone at their age.

the difference is they can broadcast it into the world now.

[–] maness300@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah. When I was a kid, my peers were happy to bend over backwards to work harder for nothing extra.

Times have changed. That's what happens as the disparity in wealth continues to grow. More people feel disenfranchised.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hmm that's some of it, probably. I don't think it's all of it. And even if so, I think that phenomenon can build further momentum.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

id go as far as doubting its at all of it, but AFAICT every recent generation had some good thinking about the problems and were keen on dissenting somehow when they were young.

even a lot of the boomers (who are seen as very conservative now) had their counterculture thing when they were young.

i think my biggest point with this is that the kids are generally alright and we can do good by laying off the juvenoia a bit.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

i think my biggest point with this is that the kids are generally alright and we can do good by laying off the juvenoia a bit.

100% agree there.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Society will probably collapse by 2040.

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

2030 is my guess because roughly half of the kids from the 60s will be mid 60s then and retire or be unable to keep on hustling because of age while all support systems will get into absolute overload.

It's seven years until 2030.

[–] Evade5415@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

5 years 10 months 20 days

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

You might want to recheck your math on that one

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Well either see a brutal market recession as the boomers die off and/or sell off their retirement portfolio to buy more sand for their hourglass, while everyone else is too broke to buy it at the “market value” their financial planner promised them in 1992

Or capitalists will sweep in and buy it for cheap, exacerbating the housing crisis and continuing to make life unaffordable

Either way we’re in trouble

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

i think you underestimate how bad it can get before they can't stop a collapse anymore.

we already have a big homeless population and old people already in dire situations. i think that was the spark that got them so politicized in the first place.

and the biggest factors will probably be more related to climate change which will take a bit more time to reeeeally fuck with us.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's seven years until 2030.

"Gen Z kids refuse to learn math!" Tune in to hear more at 11.

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Joke is: I'm one of these boomers, born in the 1960s 😄

Classic example of rage math - I'm always furious about the shit and the terror my generation didn't prevent. We knew and know everything and chose and choose to carry on.

Assholes all around. I'm dead serious about this.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Thats the current estimate of scientists at MIT at least.