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Sounds like you’re okay with Fascism as long as the party you like is in power.
a) a democratically elected authoritarian government is not fascism. If I said "throw all the Mormons into prison camps and conquer Alberta for their tar sands, and if a court tells you no break out the silly hats and insinuate the judge is mormon" that would be fascism.
b) I'm not okay with it, but compared to sitting around wringing our hands while things get worse it seems like the lesser of two evils.
Yes, the lesser of two evils, the thing that brought us to our current situation in the first place. How about no evils? How about we actually hold those we elect accountable rather than just letting them throw up their hands and hope the President does something.
I know you and I are only two people but shouldn’t we encourage dialogue and finding common ground? I know one party is out of their mind right now but taking their agency from them and saying you don’t know what to do because your stupid and I know better doesn’t help, it breeds more discontent.
I agree with holding those we elect accountable, which is why I'm holding Biden accountable for the fact that his administration hasn't been trying hard enough to help people. I breezed last it for the sake of the conversation here, but I absolutely believe our legislature can and should do more, and there's some things even I will admit are going to require congress (e.g. I think we really need higher taxes on the wealthy and I don't think there's anything the president alone can do about that), but there are tons of things the administration could be doing that they're not.
I'm not sure exactly what this means in the context of this conversation, but I like answering this question when it comes up,
Yes, I think we should encourage dialogue and finding common ground, and actually I think I am, just in a more long term way. See, I have tried debating with Republicans to change their minds, and I have tried negotiating with Republicans to see if they would be willing to support policies I want in exchange for policies they want, and I have seen elected leaders do those things as well, and, well, look at how that's turned out for us. So, I have become deeply convinced that they either can't or don't want to empathize with us or be fair to us, they just want to dominate us and take all the stuff they can consume and own. With that being the case, I think the only way we get them to behave better is to make them believe that it's in their own interest to do so. Put another way, I think in the short term we need to make it so unbelievably painful for them to keep being bigoted and selfish that they'll want to act tolerant and charitable whether they genuinely feel that way or not. Long term, we'll all find that it's a lot easier to just skip to the part where we treat each other with respect instead of going through the effort of fighting each other first, and I think that's the only way this world gets better.
I think we agree on a lot but would rather see congress do their jobs and take responsibility than for them and the US public to have an over reliance on one person we hope will do the right thing.
I think you're right, we even agree on
I just think things have gotten too dire to keep waiting for that to happen