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The transphobia stops now (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

This community is housed on an instance run by two trans women, focused on the needs of the queer and gender diverse community.

We allowed 196 here because we were promised the community is queer and trans inclusive.

If you're here it's because you're aggressively supportive of trans folk. Not middle of the ground, not "just asking questions".

If your response to that is, "yes, but..." then this isn't the instance for you, and by extension, this isn't the community for you.

tl;dr - Unambiguous support and inclusion, or fuck off somewhere else.

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Edit - I changed the phrase "aggressive support to "unambiguous support", as there was some confusion over the intent behind my previous phrasing.

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[-] CYCLR@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Personally, I don't think about other people's sexuality all that much, so I guess that makes me a non-aggressive supporter.

It's weird to impose this type of stuff, but I respect that this is your little space on the internet, so I'm leaving, as you asked. Thank you for the smiles and laughs.

[-] ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud 58 points 11 months ago
[-] CYCLR@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

That's for the clarification! Like I said, I'm not super into this whole topic

[-] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 32 points 11 months ago

“I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's greatest stumbling block in his strike toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice.'

Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Not to equivocate trans and black liberation because they are very different, but do you think “aggressive” or “non aggressive” supporter of race rights better slots into the whites who demonstrated their unwillingness to go along with racism or the ones who were like “I don’t care about your race, I’m not a racist, but how dare you ask me to support you in any meaningful or visible way?”

[-] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

That's a quote from his letter from Birmingham jail, right?

While there are, of course, major differences in trans and black liberation, I read the full letter again recently and was shocked at how much of it was applicable to the current trans rights movement. I actually get the feeling that the two movements are more alike than they are different.

History repeats itself. I highly encourage everyone to take a half hour and read the full letter. Maybe if everyone took his words to heart, we could avoid some of the bullshit this time around. The conservative playbook of oppression hasn't changed much. It's just focused on a different target this time.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 8 points 11 months ago

I agree that there is a great deal to be learned and analogies to be drawn. However, I’m not a person of color so I didn’t want to unilaterally co-opt a movement that isn’t mine to take.

[-] Sage_the_Lawyer@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Completely fair, and I totally agree! I'm also not a person of color, so I hope my comment didn't come across as trying to co-opt the movement. Just wanted to, as you said, point out there are a lot of similarities and lessons that could be learned.

I, as a trans person, fully recognize that black people had it worse than trans people do now. While both communities face violence, black people faced violence that was heavily state-sponsored and far more widespread, even with the recent increased rates of violence against trans people. The entire U.S. legal system was rigged against them from the start. It was their blood that earned us the Civil Rights Act, which is the foundation our movement needed. And that's a debt we will owe forever. And I also recognize that people of color continue to face discrimination. The fight isn't over, for any of us.

I'm getting wordy. I think we're both on the same page here. I guess civil rights discussions get me going (but tbh, I'm okay with that). Hope you have a great day!

[-] CYCLR@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Good point! I do think it's important to support trans rights, but I'd be a hypocrite if I said I AGGRESSIVELY support the cause. There's just a lot going on in my life right now, I just want to keep a clear mind, is all.

That being said, I never agree with or accept signs of transphobia.

[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 11 months ago

What I mean by aggressively is, without caveats, without "but..."'s, without ambiguity. Your support needs to be clearly on the support side.

You don't need to be an activist. You don't need to be out marching or even commenting on trans stuff, but your opinion on trans folks should be unambiguously on the "support" side of things.

[-] CYCLR@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Oh, that's a much better description. I think I'll stay for longer then, thank you!

[-] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah. If someone is ever writing out "I'm an ally, but..." literally nothing good ever follows.

[-] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

Thanks for replying. I don’t know OPs intent when they said aggressively, but I can’t imagine your description not fitting into some reasonable definitions of allyship. Most people (even queer people) are not hauling themselves to every protest. Calling out transphobia as uncool when seen is as aggressive as anybody needs, imo. I wouldn’t get hung up on the wording.

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

I don’t know OPs intent when they said aggressively

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[-] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Btw, I don'y think "equivocate," which comes from equivocal, means what you're trying to say (that you do not wish to position the movements as 1-to-1 matches)

[-] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

Thanks, I think you’re right! One of those words that somehow formed the wrong definition in my brain. TIL

[-] TTH4P@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Aggressive support. I'm with ya.

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