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'Jews are predisposed to calling for genocide and it's part of our rich but often misunderstood quirky cultural heritage, but we can't actually do it, even when we are, because.... reasons' is one one hell of a take from a 'left' history professor and author:

As the author of ‘Jews and Words’, a book that celebrates the Jewish culture of debate and textuality, I must spell out something that the book didn’t mention, a negative aspect of our talkative legacy.

You may not like it, but here it is.

This morning’s proceedings in The Hague focus on genocidical talk in the Israeli public sphere. There are dozens of examples: ministers, Knesset members, influencers. Even the manipulative Netanyahu mentioned Amalek, the ancient people that the Bible singled out for eradication. Never mind that great rabbis have determined long ago that Amalek is obsolete, and the biblical verdict does not apply to any existing nation.

What stands on trial today is the ancient Jewish habit of speaking to each other as if no one else is listening. The Jewish habit of making extreme statements irresponsibly, unthoughtfully, without expecting any payback.

For so many centuries we have exercised a wild freedom of speech among ourselves, in our own languages, relying on our own argumentative balance mechanism: extremism and moderation may clash, and moderation usually triumphs. The House of Shammai is legitimate, but the House of Hillel, the moderates, usually wins. Israeli verbal culture inherited this freedom. But Israel is also a liberal democracy and member of the global community. Most of the loudmouths crying Genocide and Amalek are not aware of the profound dissonance, the huge damage, the justified outrage. Some don’t care.

Only a small minority wants actual genocide in Gaza and are morally crippled enough to carry it through: the extreme national-religious right. The fact that Netanyahu allowed these thugs into his government and echoes their discourse is an eternal blot on Jewish history.

Our disputative, wordy culture deserves to be celebrated, but it must denounce its dangerous outcrop of inciters to blind violence. Their Amalekite speech has become too viable to bear. Too doable.

No, Israel is not conducting genocide. But its ongoing rant about “flattening Gaza” is no longer a quaint side effect of our argumentative heritage.

It is a crime, a travesty and a harrowing blow to the best of Jewish traditions.

Later, from her responses:

This horrific, dirty, ugly war is not genocide. If that was our intention, Gaza would cease to exist on 8/10 and 500 of our soldiers would still be alive.

Ah yes, genocide has to be the instantaneous Thanos-like removal of a population just like it was in Germany during the... errrr.... monke-beepboop

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[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the person on the Wikipedia talk page for the Afghanistan war saying the U.S. actually won it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)/Archive_16

To say America lost the war in Afghanistan is a huge lie because America never really tried fighting seriously after accomplishing its objective.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In the NBA there’s an unwritten rule where if one team is dominating, they’re expected to run the timer while the losing team gives up and refuses to continue playing seriously so that the losing team may lose gracefully (i.e. the score discrepancy isn’t too high).

Despite the agreement, it would be delusional to say that the losing team didn’t lose just because they didn’t put in effort lol.

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Okay, okay, we lost the game, but our starters' plus-minus in the first quarter was really great, so . . ."

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

'We traded uncontested dunks in the first possessions of the game and then lost so badly that they continued to roll us in garbage time, but to say we lost is a huge lie because we stopped trying after we got that dunk.'