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reminder rule
(lemmy.cafe)
edit: GUYS fuck stalin and fuck tankies, period. i understand that this community is more sensitive than most to pro-stalinist vibes, and i apologize for unintentionally twinging that nerve, but you need stop calling each other (and me) slurs
good heavens, happy new year, fuck incarceration and murder in all forms
(mods pls also do your job and help with the slurs thing)
edit2: big thank u 2 da mods for helping with the slurs thing u guys rock ๐ ๐
That's what happens when citizens break the law and retain their rights in the eyes of the state. They don't disappear or get mulched into the soil to increase yields.
Here's a fun article on Survivorship bias
That doesn't change the fact that US prisons are for-profit. And that corporations have huge lobbying powers. It's why marijuana laws are so harsh and disproportionate to actual heinous crimes. Stoners make a more complacent prisoners to make money off of then psychotic killers.
You're not wrong, here's a list of countries that may execute you for possession of canabis;
Bahrain, Brunei Darussalam, Iran, the Republic of Korea, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Qatar, Singapore, Sudan, Taiwan and the USA.
Something tells me the USA has executed far fewer prisoners over this charge, leading back to the point I had originally made.
ugh im so glad that i wasnt killed for owning one (1) weed! i should feel so blessed that:
AMERICA IS TRULY THE MOST FREE OF COUNTRIES RAHHHHH ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ
When you get thrown into a mass grave because you smoked a fucking plant you can never again;
I don't have to point a finger and type in all caps to make my point because logic brought me here. Enjoy your meltdown.
Just because the US isn't the worst of all countries doesn't mean it's good. Execution is not the only other option and I'm sure you know that.
Can you point to where I said America is good?
I tried to understand some statistics, I'm not waving a banner here. Stop being foolish.
Lol?
I'm all for a usurpation of power from the current government, I'm not ready to be the first one to die for it. I just break the laws I don't agree with in peace.
Sorry I don't like the idea of killing prisoners and if that's the defining factor as to why "ooga booga the US has a ton of prisoners" so be it. Using reason to understand statistics isn't licking boots. Sorry the meme backfired I guess.
Only 8 percent of the US prison population is housed in for profit prisons. For profit prisons might be an okay place to start, but the entire US prison system is terrible and absolutely needs reform. There are a myriad of other things that need to be changed, just as much.
I don't live in the US but don't prisoners lose their right to vote and get elected for quite a while?
Depends on local laws of their state, but yes in most states you lose the right to vote while in prison and some places, like Florida, make it difficult to get your right to vote back. Not sure if the prison sentence being for a state or federal crime makes a difference or not.
Yea they lose some rights, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are not on the list of rights removed. That's why the USA has larger prisoner populations.
And slave work is explicitly allowed in prisons, right?
Yeah, I think that's covered in the 13th amendment.
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States..."
Again, my stance is counter to the current establishment. I did not write this amendment nor was I questioned as to my support before it was ratified. This has been the rule of land long before my family came to this hellhole.
What an absolutely ignorant take.
Shall we make a meme about prisoner death/execution counts?
My bad, that doesn't fit your narrative so it's a moot point. Lmao y'all are hilarious.
Or just even throw a nod at the well documented systemic racism in our prison "justice" system?
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/international/executions-around-the-world
The thing about being executed is that you have no chance after the fact to litigate and seek justice.
So which system is more just?
An unjust system is still an unjust system whether or not there are worse systems. What a completely ignorant take.
W phrasing keep it up chad โค๏ธ
when i see the biggest baddest wolf in the forest i would be a fool to seek comfort in his little brotherโs teeth
That's just like, your opinion, man.
https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2022/jun/15/racially-disparate-sentencing-patterns-prevalent-amongst-federal-judges/
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/27/1125442683/wrongful-convictions-disproportionately-affect-black-americans-report-shows
My opinions are fact-backed. Yours are ignorant.
Those are articles, not your opinions.
If they are your opinions they are opinion-pieces and frankly I'm hesitant to cite opinion-pieces or use them to build my own world view.
Reading this was not a good use of braincells on my part. You got me!
๐ cool, great talk!
Is it? Why don't European countries have a similarly high incarceration rate then?
Couldn't tell ya, I don't know much about European laws. Just shining some light on statistics regarding the country I live in.
In that case, this seems like a learning opportunity for you.
Western European countries have rule of law and don't disappear or mulch people when they break the law, letting them retain their rights.
This counterexample would seem to completely undermine your claim that America's incredibly high incarceration rates are just "what happens" when citizens retain rights after breaking the law.
Well it's a good thing things aren't black and white and we ALL get to learn something new. This has been a real hoot.