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Tbf, he should abdicate to a younger Democrat. I don't want to "settle for Joe".
I was pissed when Bernie Sanders had the rug pulled out from under him.
I really want to consolidate, but not under Joe Biden.
I want change. I want new ideas. Progress and solutions. Biden has been in government for over fifty years- most of that in the senate for over 40 years.
He’s been a senator longer than I’ve been alive
It’s not a question of age. It’s a question of stagnation.
I'll take stagnation over fascism. What is the short term plan? I mean, what happens if the orange blob snakes his way back in because the purity ponies and the "independents" stomped their feet and had a hissy?
If that guy and his cohort get back in, it is most likely over for real elections in America.
It's clear that the party prefers stagnation to progress as well.
progress > stagnation >>>>>>> fascism
I don't understand people who go "if I can't have progress and I'm forced to vote for stagnation in order to prevent fascism, then I'm fine with fascism."
It does not follow that everyone who isn't overjoyed with stagnation wants fascism.
It is if you're willing to let the fascists win because of it.
Well, I'm voting for Biden. It's a shame that the party would rather stagnate and lose than progress and win.
Because the people offering stagnation are benefiting from the fascism. They're two sides of one coin and every time you flip the coin the sharp edges slice the throat of a poor person.
Besides, it's not stagnation, that implies not moving. We are actually moving backwards and the reason why republicans are able to ban abortion, engage in blatant corruption, and run for president whilst on trial is because the "stagnation" side refuses to mount a proper offence because, again, they're all benefitting from the situation.
I'd almost rather see our government burn down and get replaced by another than let status quo limp along another four years.
Real issues that real Americans want fixed have been ignored by Dems and Repubs alike for longer than I've been alive. Real issues, like widespread poverty wages, declining quality in public education, inaccess to healthcare, the prison system, terrible public transport in cities, no social safety nets, little action against climate change, etc. These issues have only gotten worse over time, so why would I vote for the status quo knowing that?
Hell, the "good" party in charge right now is actively supporting genocide in the east and keeping healthcare so expensive at homr that I can't get a cavity filled without taking lien out on my car. I'll never own a home despite being an engineer and having virtually zero debt. Life as an American fucking sucks, and if the last 80 years of American politics are anything to go by, then voting in the status quo in 2024 will continue making life worse.
The only American government that's been in charge while I've been alive has done nothing but make my life worse. If things continue this way, maybe Americans will finally reach their tipping point 100 years from now and grow the balls to take their government back. I'd rather not wait that long.
Stagnation is just the slow road to fascism.
I bet making fun of them is a great way to gain their favor.
Is there some kind of outreach for people that want white supremacy and xtian nationalism that would work for Hillary?
Then vote for someone else in the primaries. But as soon as it is the general election it is either the democrat or fascism. Even if you don't vote at all, it will just strengthen the fascist party.
There's no Democratic primary this year.
I mean, Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson would probably disagree.
You’re right about what we have to do, but are we even having primaries this time? Because of how the primary process was scheduled in 2020 Biden had the nomination all but locked up by the time I got to vote in them. I’m 100% voting for Biden, you can look into my comments and find me admonishing some asshole advocating for third party presidential candidates over Biden. But I do understand the frustration with having to vote again for someone I didn’t want the first time and isn’t representative of the direction I want the country to move in besides not wanting to be in a fascist theocracy.
That is a fair point. The primary system as well as the election system as a whole should probably reformedbut that is nearly impossible without flipping a lot of States.
I'm from Switzerland and we had a similar voting system for a long time. It was only changed by implementing more ways for the populace to directly decide about matters in both the Cantons (States) and Switzerland as a whole. So this might be a good way to implement change as it gives people a specific matter to vote on.
In Switzerland it was made possible by populists that wanted a more direct democracy.
So I hope something like this is possible for the US as well as many things like legalized weed, abortion access, a good health insurance system or voting reforms often have a stable majority among the voters, they just don't vote accordingly.
I hope so too, at this point I’m at a loss, based on my general observations about my country as a whole I don’t see any way that the changes the world desperately needs will happen because of the structure of our government alongside the culture of individualism that has led to the communal alienation we have for each other now. I don’t like how hopeless I’ve become but looking at things from a high level things are pretty bleak
The primaries are mostly determined by the parties. There will be a primary this year in New Hampshire where only the Republican result counts, because they Democrats reordered their primary schedule so New Hampshire wasn't first and New Hampshire has a law saying they must hold theirs first. So their vote will happen but just doesn't count.
In the end it's the parties that decide who their nominee will be, by the rules they make up, so that's where reform needs to happen.
Then vote for politicans that you think will change that or advocate for direct democracy, join a union, strike there are many ways to get more political influence!
I'm not responding to say it can't change, I'm explaining you how the primary half of the problem works. Changing a private organization is potentially easier than changing a law, but at the same time does not have a definite method of voting on it.
I want to vote to change the voting system. We deserve to vote for who we trust with the job rather than against the candidate we fear most.
I have to compartmentalize pretty hard each election cycle. I wish I had time to campaign for a voting system change, but I haven't.
Should have been Bernie. SMH
It won't work. Conceding the already filled chair is seen as a weakness and they will parade that thought around. We know better, but they will not let the Dems live it down. It's the Dem nomination in 28 that matters. This year is Joe and maybe Trump. Depending on the stupidity of the Reps.
That would nearly guarantee a win for Trump. Incumbency advantage is strong as is name recognition. I don't like Biden either but he's better than a literal fascist. If Trump wins in 2024 there will not be an election in 2028.