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"I got jipped" or however it's spelled. We say it all the time in America, but a euro transplant informed me that it's basically a slur for gypsies.
FYI the best term for the ethnic group is Roma.
True. Gypsy itself is a slur too, right? Sorry, idk much and European bigotry aside from the meme where Europeans scold us for being a racist country, then turn around and say they want to exterminate the Roma.
Yeah I think so. We have a lot of great threads on Roma culture in Hexbear, I'd recommend checking them out because their culture is really cool. I especially love Romani architecture.
Seriously, check out these sick palaces!
Those look rad. Like someone was building a traditional European house and half way up got bored and decided to finish it as a Chinese pagoda.
Those are often used in Eastern Europe as racist proof of "Look, they're not actually poor and oppressed! They're rich! And they steal from us! So it's okay to hate them."
Wow those buildings are fire. I want to add them to C&C now. I am in love with the roof
Thank you !
Holy shit it's like the majestic sprawl of a plantation house with none of the vile malevolence of southern settler whites
Yeah, but IIRC it's also a situation like indian/native american where sometimes people prefer one term or the other. Like anything else I suppose, never lead with it but if someone corrects you just roll with it.
I learned sorta recently that while some people prefer American Indian there are a ton of people who consider Indian to be something like the soft n word, as in some Native Americans might say it a lot but others shouldnt say it, so people should be careful about not stepping on that.
The groups I'm in avoid the entire issue by saying indigenous. Indigenous peoples were of many nations that were crushed in the genocide of manifest destiny and the not even given American citizenship until the 1920s. Even then, they've been repeadly fucked by the government who has so rarely honored any part of the multitude of treaties we have with the various indigenous nations.
I like the Canadian term of "first Americans". It's not racialized and seems more respectful (not that Canada is at so respectful to them). But it does still highlight the fact that they were so well erased from American history that a blanket term is used for the multitude if ethnicities and nations that were here first.
First Nations is acceptable but First Americans still uses a settler colonial name to describe people of indigenous nations. (America was named after an Italian Explorer, not exactly anything indigenous about that word).
Thanks for the info, I'll change my vocab accordingly.
You're welcome, comrade.
Oh shit, good to know.
And they always try to defend this position by saying "But it's different with gypsies- they really do live up to their stereotypes!" while simultaneously faking for support for BLM from abroad.
There are a few acceptable exceptions like "gypsy jazz" but other than those it should have considered a slur.
This is official too. It was decided at the world Roma congress in the 1970s that this is the name they wanted to go by as a community.
When I grew up I never thought anything about where the term jipped ( maybe it's spelled gypped? ) came from, but after hearing jew used as a verb in the same context got me thinking about where the term came from. Not all epiphanies feel good.
Always pay close attention to the epiphanies that don't feel good
I thought it was a reclamation of the phrase, kind of like "Jerry rigged"
The term "g*psy" being used casually, in a way simply used to just talk about the Roma people, and it being the only term most people know for them, is also another racist thing that's normalized.
It's so normalized that they use it all the time in kids cartoons over here.
It's also abysmally ignorant. Roma have been in Europe for centuries, but they originally migrated from India. It was assumed by medieval Europeans that they were from Egypt, because Egypt is in the Bible, and India isn't, so they all knew about Egypt. So they called the the G-slur as a proxy of "Egyptian"
For centuries the word used in Danish for Romas and travellers (why be precise about who we're talking about?) was "Tatars". People didn't know shit about where the Romas came from but Crimea sounded like an exotic place so why not pretend that this is where these exotic people came from? An example of the use of this world is the 1665 legal code that bans "Jews and Tatars" from the country.
Oh yeah. I remember learning about this one. Living in America, I don't think a lot of us are aware of Roma people, and thus don't know it's a racial slur.
I blame Notre Dame. That movie made me think it was more of like a job description like a traveling merchant. I didn't know it referred to a group of people until I had internet.