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[-] kvasir476@lemmy.world 168 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Two things not mentioned it that article:

  1. Why would anyone want to fight for a country that is so callously disinterested in the welfare of it's citizens?

  2. In the last quarter-century it has become extremely apparent that the US Military is not the "global force for good" that it wants to portray itself as. Most young people probably aren't interested in joining up to commit war crimes in the name of making money for the military industrial complex.

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago
  1. Every branch of the military has become increasingly toxic, cutting things like training and cleaning up black mold in favor of new uniforms every 2 years
[-] kvasir476@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

How's training and cleaning up mold supposed to line the pockets of the senator's buddy who owns the uniform company?

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

Yup. Every problem with this world eventually gets traced back to money.

[-] grumble209@techhub.social 25 points 11 months ago

@kvasir476 @throws_lemy Suggested edit: After "In the last quarter-century" insert "I've finally noticed".

Butler saw the scam first-hand, 100 years ago. Every generation seems it must relearn the lessons of our grandparents.

As for young people not enlisting for wars of convenience - exactly. That's partially why a draft was around, and why it was so unpopular. And why the money each service pays for college benefits goes way up when there's a shooting war and goes down in peacetime.

My time in the Navy overlapped with the VEAP program, which would give me a 2-to-1 match for college - up to the maximum contribution of $2700. What a joke.

Compare that to the current GI Bill plus extra money each service pays directly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

[-] littlewonder@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

\3. Pay hasn't kept up with civilian work.

\4. They stopped offering student loan repayment as a benefit.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago
  1. They stopped offering student loan repayment as a benefit.

What really? That was the biggest reason anyone joined when I was in. Wow. So the headline should be "Military reduces benefits of service, less people willing to serve"

[-] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Never has been the global force for good

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I mean... defeating the Nazis?

[-] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

After Germany declared war on them? They didn't defeat them out of good will, in fact, I'd say America and South Africa were the closest things to Nazi Germany outside of the Reich

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

Is it good to beat the shit out of the school bully after he picks a fight with you so he learns to stop picking fights with people? I would say so.

[-] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Not if you're quite similar to that bully

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee -3 points 11 months ago

Really? Closer than Russia which actually did invade its neighbors? Go back to lemmygrad.

[-] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Should I remind you of the land the USA originally had and what they did to the people who lived in the lands they conquered?

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee -5 points 11 months ago

You can if you want to pretend that Russia didn’t do the same thing and that it somehow makes the comparison better for you!

[-] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It did, but the natives are more than 1% of the Russian population

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 6 points 11 months ago

stopped clocked fallacy.

the united states is in so many wars, they were bound to achieve one somewhat correctly.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

The U.S. military also defeated the Confederacy. So that's two.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 11 months ago

thats 2!

shut it down, shut this all down!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Helping end genocide in the Balkans would be a third example...

[-] Organichedgehog@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Ok...? Does that dispute the point? Original comment said they were "never" a force for good

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Global force for better

Good would’ve involved them allowing Spanish civil war vets to fight

[-] Nudding@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

You know that was more so Russia right?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I would say it was a combined effort, but Russia suffered a lot more. They didn't liberate Paris though.

[-] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

We would be living in a better world if they did

[-] Nudding@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

It was a combined effort, but Russia did most of the work and lost most of the lives? Nice

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

The Russians did nothing on the Western Front or North Africa.

But yes, they lost the most lives. I'm not sure why that means it wasn't a collaborative effort. Are you claiming that if the U.S. and Britain had sat by and done nothing, Russia would have defeated Hitler singlehandedly and liberated Western Europe? Because I find that to be a very spurious claim if so.

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

He said suffered more, not “did more of the work”. You added that part.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Suffering more losses does equate to contributing more to towards the victory. For example America's Lend Lease Act didn't cost American soldiers but contributed towards the allied victory.

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Not really, no. And let’s ignore the part where the only reason they even fought is because Russia wanted to conquer some of the same land as Germany 😂

[-] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Anticommunists never stop rewriting history to make the nazis look less bad

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Because Stalin didn’t invade Poland and the Baltic states, right? And he didn’t sign agreements with hitler before the war?

Oh oh let me guess, they were “saving them from Nazis”! Now where have I heard that before…

[-] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

The west constantly uses the memory of appeasement to justify its killings today but back when it was happening Stalin tried to start the war when Hitler could be easily crushed. It's only after the west decided they would rather use the nazis to kill the communists than prevent the holocaust that deal was made.

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

What are you even talking about? Hitler attacked the Soviets, not the other way around. And it was because they broke their agreement and took territory that they said they wouldn’t.

Appeasement isn’t even relevant in this context, so not sure what you mean by that.

[-] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

"made a deal with Hitler"

What the fuck do you think appeasement was?

[-] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

In the context of WW2 appeasement refers to Britain and the rest of Europe giving pieces of Czechoslovakia to Germany. Not a deal between the Soviets and Germany to carve up Eastern Europe.

It’s ok keep working on your English!

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