236
'No Possibility' of Gaza Cease-Fire, Biden Says as 500+ Former Staffers Demand One
(www.commondreams.org)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 11 Nov 2023
236 points (78.1% liked)
World News
37363 readers
1607 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect!
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Taking from my comment on the other community where you posted this:
Biden asked for one and reported Netanyahu said no.
The headline sounds like he’s just dismissing his staffers
You mean the headline is intentionally misleading to the point of misinforming people?
It's straight up journalistic malpractice the way they phrased it
Correlation does not imply causation. Just because you misinterpret the headline doesn’t make it wrong.
It doesn't matter what the intent is here, the headline is misleading, which is poor journalist integrity. Both malice and ignorance can sink a ship.
Intent is irrelevant. Biden’s comment and the staffer’s letter correlate (A relationship or connection between two things based on co-occurrence or pattern of change). It is implied (To make evident indirectly) that Biden is disregarding the wishes of the staffers. If you can’t comprehend this, I can’t help you read gooderer.
Someone did the implying, and that's bad practice. You are correct that intent is irrelevant, yet you take issue with the headline being accused of intentional misinformation.
The thing about implications is that they exists regardless of your intent or your audience's comprehension. It doesn't matter if the headline is technically correct, if a significant portion of the audience leaves misinformed, that's poor jounalism. The extent to which this happens here edges into malpractice, either from ignorance or malice.
Since you take issue with the accusation, you either disagree with the claim of malice or the claim of misinformation; as you reject the former you must disagree that a headline that gives a drastically different interpretation of reality is misinformation. Am I wrong?
It’s called grammar. I didn’t make the rules.
So I don’t see it as malice or misinformation. I had no no trouble with the headline.
An implication doesn't need to be directly conveyed, especially in a situation so small as a headline. Implication is often used in headlines to convey more information that explicitly stating everything, and especially to save on word count.
For example: "TITANIC SINKS, 1500 DIE" Purely by literal meaning: A big boat sank, and somewhere at somepoint, many people died of something. Odd to include that people have died before, that's just a fact of life, but the Titanic was carrying a lot of people, did they survive? Too bad the headline didn't say, I guess they don't know yet.
We could look even deeper and conclude that Biden rejected the possibility of a ceasefire specifically because the former staffers demands. I don't think he's that spiteful, so it would be an odd interpretation, but it would be fully grammatical correct. Sorry, I didn't make the
.
So I don't see how a single definition rules out others, as several exist.
So, you didn’t like, or understand the headline, and that’s the author’s fault. Fair point. It doesn’t make it grammatically incorrect though. Email the writer and let them know, if it means that much to you.
So they were grammatically correct with their intentionally misleading headline. Glad everyone reached a consensus.
Because it’s grammatically correct it’s not intentionally misleading. “As” is the keyword. Run has 645 meanings. Just because people interpret a phrase differently doesn’t mean it’s wrong, or malicious.
Except that it is obviously both wrong and malicious.
I proved that it is not grammatically wrong, can you prove that it is malicious?
It leaves out context, intentionally. If this was a fox news headline, I'd say the same thing, and you'd agree.
The context is in the article. It could be argued that it is in the headline too, but some obviously have interpreted it differently.
Edit: Replace “as” with “while” and maybe you’ll understand.
Indeed.
Edit: You are just being condescending and not pointing out anything meaningful.
I’m not trying to be condescending. I’m just incapable of explaining this in a satisfactory way. Those criticizing the headline are not pointing out anything meaningful. The information in the article correlates with the headline. Biden has the ability to endorse a ceasefire, “while” his former staffers are urging him to do so.
You are incapable of explaining it because it is an incredibly common and recognizable representation of a bad faith headline.
Summarizing an article and writing a headline isn’t easy. I know from experience. It may be in bad faith, it doesn’t appear that way to me. It doesn’t detract from the relevant information in the article.
FWIW I think the administration could, should, and (unfortunately) probably won't do more to support a cease fire.
I just don't think my opinion justifies misrepresenting what actually occurred in a headline intentionally.
And the author of the headline did. They knew. And if you have experience, you know they knew.
"Ok then stop sending bombs and using reaper drones to help them perform mass killings"
"No can do chief, Bibi told me I need to keep doing all that."
Considering the power that the US has over Israel, he pretty much is just dismissing his staffers.
And that’s the headline. Thanks.
It's almost like the US isn't technically a combatant here.
That makes me feel better, but I wish he would put some weight behind it.
Even if IDF stops shooting, what really makes people believe Hamas will stop? I want an end to the violence as much as anyone else but I really don't see a cease fire doing anything but giving Hamas time to rearm and plan their next massacre.
And if IDF doesn't stop shooting like they do now, will the continued escalation make less people flock to anti-israel organization like Hamas? Because all I can see happening is that, while Israel may take over some land, they are just strengthening the support of terrorists.
I assumed people could read past the headline.
I mean... Isn't the point of the headline to concisely represent the article? That's the entire reason clickbait is considered bad.
Yes, the information in the article is unimportant because the headline is cumbersome. /s
What the fuck are you talking about?
Be civil
Username TokenBoomer acts full of themselves. Who would have thought?
Username howsetheraven is a scavenger and eats carrion. Who would have thought?
Be logical
Maybe I would be logical if people would stop criticizing the headline and read the fucking article. Wait until they notice the glaring grammatical error in paragraph 3.
And that is a reason to make the headline misleading?
Don’t read the article and remain ignorant then. This is a distraction from the contents.