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Well, don’t declare war on a country that you are dependent upon for all your resources and then expect its help.
And by dependent upon them for resources you mean it's an apartheid state that locked 2 million people up in an open air prison and has total control over their water and resources.
They border Egypt. Surely their fellow Muslims would help them and not lock them out.
Why should they undergo ethnic cleansing and forced removal from their homeland to Egypt? Why can't Israel just treat them like human beings instead?
Egypt has already accepted many many many Palestinian refugees, and it knows that if those Gazans cross over, Israel will lock them out and never allow them back in.
I don't like the Egyptian president but at least they have been diplomatic and insistent on getting humanitarian aid into Gaza.
What kind of shitbag do I have to be to only help people of my own religion and ethnicity. Pathetic.
Oh wait, isn't that what Israel is basically? An ethnostate?
I agree that ethnostates are not a good thing, but that is clearly what Palestine is, hence their ridiculous bullshit. Israel is a least making an attempt at being non-denominational in government. It is a safe haven for Jews, but it does not have a national religion and is careful to not make laws that raise one religion over another. The current administration is less tolerant of those rules and isn’t that great, but the conflict has been around longer than them. The whole homeland argument is so outdated. The Jews got pushed out by them many years prior. It’s been a back and forth for centuries. They need to share, but the Palestinians are mostly Muslim and are assholes. They are responsible for causing violence instead of brokering peace. They started a war on there home turf. They are the reason people are getting killed. Are you denying that they launch rockets are Israel from within their civilization areas because that shit’s well documented.
I think you don't understand what ethnostate means.
It's so strange how people do some mental gymnastics to think that Israel is completely justified in all of their prior and current crimes against humanity.
Heck, the freakin hostages and Israelies in hospital in Israel have publically ridiculed the government and the army, hence Netanyahu is bunkered down hasn't visited anyone.
Apparently he went to visit the troops for a photo op, and they booed him.
My take on it is that many of the people in the Palestinian territories have a backwards culture where women are relegated to home life and queer people are to be hung. This isn’t just a small pocket of their communities. These are the people in charge. They don’t just want land. They want to eradicate cultures that are different from theirs. Many peace talks occurred over the past half-century, but they always end because the Palestinians just want to get rid of Jews and anyone that doesn’t submit to their narrow worldview. These shitty people allow their leaders to shoot rockets at Israeli cities. They could come to amicable agreements, but don’t. This is what causes the apartheid-like conditions. They did it to themselves. They then decided to let their leaders declare war and are not paying the price. The bad guys are filling their homes, that they know are targets, with women and children. Many people use Islam to justify monstrous actions. They think that all other ways of life are an affront to their beliefs. If the people of Gaza want to continue to exist, they need to get rid of their terrorist government.
Palestine didn't declare war . . .
Big brain take right here
Hamas is the government of the Gaza Strip. They declared war. The Gaza Strip is now a war zone because the people in charge started a war.
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206897328/half-of-gazas-population-is-under-18-heres-what-that-means-for-the-conflict
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip#:~:text=In%202006%2C%20Hamas%20won%20the,dominated%20the%20Palestinian%20National%20Authority.
Hamas does not represent the people of Gaza. The civilians. The humans, being bombed mercilessly by Israel
This literally says that it is the defacto government of Gaza. Just because another political body doesn’t agree doesn’t mean that they aren’t the ones controlling the day to do. They don’t have a democracy, which is on them to correct as well. Arab culture does not promote the type of mentality required to support Democracy. It’s just rugged tribalism where women are relegated to a form of slavery and children are indoctrinated to a culture of hate. That population was being regulated by Israel to provide order. They wanted independence from Israel and were unwilling to work on a means to assimilate. It was unable to form a productive society and was just breading terrorists.
Sounds like you're advocating for a can of Raid. Like they're "sub-human"
This dude made some points and this is your best response?
Sounds like a bunch of bullshit reasons to excuse bombing children to me
That's like saying the Provisional IRA was the government of Northern Ireland. Yes they do have a political force but are better described as a paramilitary.
You can't distinguish between Palestineans and Hamas, why are you surprised nobody wants to talk to you
The most uninformed and biased parroting can be found by people keep grouping both the West Bank and Gaza together under "Palestine". That's when you know they don't have enough knowledge of the region or conflict to contribute anything meaningful to the conversation beyond parroting the words of hate groups and terrorists.
A regime is not the people around them. Should your house be bombed because your asshole neighbor did a terrorist attack?
this is a very simplified view of the conflict.
More simplified than drawing a circle around an entire people, calling it "Hamas" and then casting judgment?
Then we agree. Israel should spare the civilians of Gaza. Instead of indiscriminate bombings of hospitals and critical infrastructure
well they should try to avoid civilian casualties at all costs but I also understand the need of attacking critical infrastructure of the Hamas, which is very hard because the Hamas is using its citizens as meatshields...they are also committing war crimes by doing that if you ask me.
So no, I have no "good or easy" solution for you. This war is fucked up beyond any recognition...for all parties involved!
Agreed. We should just stop shooting.
It's almost like they were forced to be dependent on that country and never wanted it in the first place
"dependent on" is a funny way to spell "occupying you"
Palestinians are not Hamas.