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As an fella from that country right beneath Canada, I hope something like this works, would love to watch our neighbors in the north do something awesome while we fail to do it for decades and decades.
If Universal Basic Income becomes commonplace the United States will probably be the last country on earth to adapt.
nah there's always the Congo
Even as a joke, countries ruined by colonial interference shouldn't be counted.
The Clovis people would love to enter the chat, but they were totally massacred in a genocide.
Fair point, my choice of wording wasn't precise. But comparing indigenous peoples would be even more complicated.
I mean if we're lightly joking about countries, there isn't a single one where you can't dig into it's history and find some day-ruining atrocity.
"Day-ruining," seriously? Try comparing apples to apples.
begone irksome troll
I only asked you to think twice about punching down, dude. Go ahead and block me if you think that's "trolling."
If I see someone saying harmful things (whether they realize it or not) about misunderstood people that don't deserve to be made fun of, I'm going to comment (unless it's obvious bait).
I was going to say Cuba, but then I remembered the healthcare is better than America already.
As is tradition.
Your neighbors in the north have something like that already. Alaska redistributes income from oil companies to their people. IIRC it's only ~150$ per month, but that's pretty good nonetheless!
$150 a month would cover several bills for us. Does each individual get it or is it per household? Because if it's per individual (presuming adults only), that's $300, which would cover some debt too. So yeah, pretty good!
I believe it is every member. They also get a large yearly chunk depending on pricing what not at the end of the year. It works allot like how Indian casino pays work across the tribe.
Downside is it's expensive to live there. But they also have no state income tax.
I mean... I think the downside is you're living in Alaska and the winter is like 10 months long.
There's ALWAYS a balance. Nothing is free, the money always comes from the people that think they're getting a handout when they're not. Common sense 101.
For Alaska the downside is that oil companies make less profit. That's where the money is coming from.
( the cost of living is not influenced by the existence or absence of such a UBI scheme.)
Doing things per household is just weird. Like, what even counts as a household? And why should people who live together receive less than if they lived apart?
I don't expect these things to make sense.
We legalized weed, which is cool af, but we made living otherwise impossibly prohibitively expensive.
Oh just you watch out we're one Republican presidency away from oxygen and fresh water being a limited resource.
Yeah I would love to see them do it. I mean hopefully it works and we can use it as a reference. If it fails, well that's their program.
Unfortunately they will bungle this shit the same way the fucked up their healthcare and it will just be a disaster.
Because their taxes aren't high enough, right? You think they print separate money to give away? Elementary school level math here dude. Like their awesome "free" health care that they come across the border daily and pay cash to avoid? You must not be in a border state.
I lived in the north my whole life. Never came across this situation. Is there a statistic for this?
Access to healthcare up there is hardly an unknown thing, very literally the first thing that came up in a Google.
The healthcare access has been reported on a bazillion times, documentaries made, their own stats used against the Universal healthcare crying that some in the US want, etc.
The part of the discussion you're missing is that our governments have been sabotaging health care for decades in an attempt to bring back the political will needed to reestablish private health care. You Americans have had a similar experience with your public education: some of your governments are pushing for "education vouchers" rather than public schooling. Who is driving both of these pushes? As usual, you just need to follow the money.
I would NEVER willingly use govt healthcare if I had a choice, the US has ALWAYS had govt healthcare which has let our veterans down for decades, and poor and low income people alwmost as long.
On school vouchers, I'm 100% for having a choice of where (my) money gets spent on my kids education. Im fortunate to have a great public school system where I am, but that wasn't the case for me growing up, shithole inner city schools that failed us all. A voucher system then could have put me in a better school of my parents choice, which existed 3mi from mine, and I would have been assigned there, if I literally lived on the other side of my street.
Our local govts dont want vouchers, because it takes from the teachers unions, which dont like being held accountable for doing thier jobs.
You know the way the funding system is designed is more-or-less destined to cause this exact effect, right? Struggling schools get less money, which leads to more struggling. The inner-city schools failing is by design.
Neat, thanks for the source. I'll look into this more.