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You shouldn't be allowed to sell "raw" cheese. It's unsafe.
The people who did so should face charges analogous to, I don't know, attempting to poison a bunch of people. Fucking nail them to the wall.
It can be relatively safe if the producers are held to high hygiene standards. The aging process kills most harmful microbes. If you're pregnant, though, you should probably avoid cheese from raw milk unless it's been heated.
And you can pry my boerenkaas from my cold dead hands!
Cheese as a method to make milk safe to consume predates pasteurization. It's not the same risk profile as unpasteurized milk.
There's a solid chance you've eaten cheese make with unpasteurized milk and not known it. As far as I'm aware, there aren't labeling requirements around it in the US or Europe. Whether or not that's sensible, I don't know, but it might give you a better idea of how dangerous governments think this cheese is.
I don't know if it's required (I would guess it is) but in France at least cheese is labelled depending on whether it was made from raw or pasteurised/cooked milk (fromage à pâte 'crue' or 'cuite' respectively). Many of the most common cheeses (eg camembert) are made from raw milk and people aren't getting sick all the time, but pregnant people are recommended not to eat those.
In the US, if I'm remembering right, women are just advised to avoid soft cheeses in general. Along with deli meats, and a bunch of other things. Although in the US you can't have raw milk soft cheeses to begin with.
There are definitely people for whom the cheesemaking process alone is an insufficient safeguard. But for the general public it's not something that super matters.
Europe about to be so mad at you.
I'm okay with it as long as it's clearly labeled and doesn't leave the state; preferably the county. The further it travels the harder it gets to trace and the more time bacteria has to multiply.
Nonsense. Unpasteurized cheese tastes way better. Labeling should be clear and you make the choice.
Perhaps you would prefer to live in a dystopia where the bread is full of sawdust and the milk is rotten.
Perhaps you'd prefer the dystopia where animals are pumped full of antibiotics?
There's worse stuff being put into food than sawdust already. Be careful out there.
Yeah why have health standards at all why not just put saw dust in bread. What are weird argument.
Worse stuff...like E.coli.
I'm not exactly some kind of cheese expert, but I've eaten a lot different cheeses in my day
I'd agree that on average, unpasteurized cheeses taste better
But some of the best cheeses I've had have also been pasteurized.
I think it's mostly the size of the difference kinds of operations and how much care they put into their products.
There's a lot of mediocre manufactures making pasteurized cheese and they're making industrial quantities of it.
Whereas the companies making raw milk cheeses tend to be smaller operations where they're putting more care into their product. They can be choosier about where their milk comes from, and are more hands-on with the process.
But if you can find a brand that puts that kind of care into it but pasteurizes their products, I haven't found there to be a dramatic difference.
I want to live in a world where I have to know that some unstandardized label is going to get me sick or not. Yeah. I definitely want to deal with memorizing all that shit and rolling the dice on things we know, generally, make the population sick. Not just cheese. Why stop there? Vegetables, fruits, meat, fuck it. Let's make sure we "label" everything and let masses decide if it's worth the risk or not. Like a game of Russian roulette each time I go to the grocery store. Sounds awesome.
How do people not just recognize this as corporations saying "enjoy the parasites" we'll sell them to you for profit.
Like, fuck, the unpasteurized cheese you enjoyed that was source from a local farm one time is NOT what the fuck we are discussing. We are discussing massive corporations that produce the majority of our food deciding that removing health standards is more profitable.
No one is trying to stop you from the thing you're even talking about. I'm glad you enjoyed the cheese. But that cheese is gonna be gone when the massive corporations start selling it nationwide and push them out of the market because "the thing I can already get" just got allowed to exist on an industrial scale because of lowering health standards.
Fuck. It's so annoying when people try to apply their individual experience to a nationwide level of production and health.
Please stop being so fucking stupid. Holy shit. YOU CAN ALREADY GET THAT CHEESE! That's not what we are talking about!
I wouldn't try unpasteurised cheese from a big US brand, knowing what the hygiene standards and oversight for cattle are like. That said, I've regularly eaten unpasteurised cheese from Spain, France and the Netherlands and I don't think those need to be banned (in the EU or their respective countries). I don't think they're comparable to unpasteurised cheese from the US though, especially since the budget cuts to the FDA.
the point is saying unpasteurised cheese is always horribly unsafe is to me wrong. it can be done relatively safely, but in the US currently it will not be done safely.
I've had raw milk still warm from the cow, literally watched it get milked. The majority of people don't understand the problems that arise between udder and grocery store shelf are why we need safety regulations or any kind of nuance.
There's plenty of potential problems in the milking shed, starting with properly cleaning the udder before milking. Cow shit gets everywhere.
Yes, I thought I covered that with 'problems between udder and grocery store'
I want to live in a world where food producers are held to safety standards... Oh wait, I do, in Europe many normal cheeses are made from unpasteurised milk and we're not generally getting sick from them. There are plenty of huge corporate nationwide/continent-wide camembert producers in France... They still have to obey food safety laws.
I admit this rant was too boring to read the whole thing but hopefully you realize that most of the entire world does not require pasturizing cheese. You've got a lot of work ahead of you if that's your goal. In the meantime I'd read the labels carefully.