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china isnt socialist cause they make llms
Oh that's not what I'm saying at all. I fully suppot the Alibaba Corporation and their socialist stochastic text generators
https://www.businessinsider.com/xi-jinping-china-ai-wins-new-year-address-2026-1?op=1
edit better source
https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202607/17/content_WS6a5a1172c6d00ca5f9a0c46b.html
Do you realize that socialists aren't obligated to be in favor of something just because Xi is?
he was saying ai models cannot be made in a socialist way. the leader of the largest communist party on earth endorses their open development for the automation of the economy. these two statements are incongruent if you think china is doing things correctly.
And despite how often people are brow-beaten for saying so on this website, not everyone thinks China is doing everything correctly.
LLMs are intrinsically bad because they degrade people's brains and frankly I personally think the automation of thought simply is not something that is in line with human flourishing, that doesn't change if such things are apparently happening Socialistly.
to automate many forms of work you are inherently automating away thought. most families had people whose whole job was weaving and making clothes for the family. with the advent of modern industrial scale clothing manufacturing processes, almost no one does this outside of hobbyists.
Apples to oranges - while it is true physical skills are ultimately cognitive ones, there is a very clear difference between the automation of tasks that are reliant on the mind-body connection being finely tuned and automation of basic, incredibly important shit like critical thinking, the ability to research information, and literacy.
americans werent capable of critical thinking in the first place. maybe if chinese models outcompete western ones they can bolt on critical thinking to your average american flesh bag and finally america will have communism
That's not much of an argument. Are you actually a socialist or are just an unironic campist?
Think materially: the average American is so stupid because of a combination of deliberate effort to make the population stupider, and because of conditions that have fostered a devaluation of intellectual skills.
LLMs have only made both problems worse. Why do you think things will go any differently in China? And don't just cite that they're socialist so it'd be fine, give me actual material differences that mean LLMs won't have the same negative cognitive effects they've had literally everywhere else.
i am making a joke because i dont take you seriously.
think materially: the human population is set to stagnate at around 10b and will not grow further. responsible governance means accelerating automation in order to take care of a mass of humans who will be elderly and incapable of many things.
keep moving the point away from you not valuing the intelligence involved in much of manual labor, including weaving, and the low-lying misogynistic tones of that argument...
you can argue theres cognitive effects from many thousands of things. i drink alcohol and it erodes my critical thinking too, but you don't see many luddites-masquerading-as-socialists demanding this new-fangled technology called fermentation be banned. each new relation and technology creates new ways of thinking. the industrial revolution was proof of that, but did marx say we needed to stop the presses? no, he said we needed to seize the presses for the good of society. any new technology can be used for good or bad, and just because many people misuse a technology it doesn't mean that technology wouldnt have benefits when used by a socialist group.
I'd put in the effort to fully respond to this, but if you're going to misogyny jacket me there's no particular point.
I quite directly acknowledged the fact that there is significant cognitive skill in weaving, literally my only contention was that it was not so nearly as fundamental of a cognitive skill as the things LLMs degrade. And even beyond that I actually do think that people should be learning mind-body cognitive skills like that, regardless of usefulness in modern society (and there are many that are very useful) I just didn't feel a need to make that clear because that's not what we're discussing.
But you're probably not even going to read that, given you've already resorted to misogyny jacketing the removed you're talking to because you don't have a real argument, so like, go fuck yourself.