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the western media's going to keep this up and eventually there's going to be turbo genocide against the jews since the average normie thinks that the jews, as a monolith, love genocide actually
in fact once
is finally brought down the west will 1000% blame "the jews" for everything
Like the actually real one in Gaza? Or Lebanon? The western media is owned by zionists (jewish or not does not make a difference they're all zionists), they're harping on about "judeochristian values", the jews that are in danger live in Iran not europe.
You are a zionist
A turbo genocide? Is gaza/lebanon just a regular genocide?
The user has more posts about imaginary retaliation against Jews than about the very real genocide being inflicted in Cuba. More posts about Jews being victims than about the genocide in Yemen.
Imaginary future victimhood
I was talking to a USA Democrat relative and she told me that watching Israel's actions had made her start to get angry when she saw Jewish people. And that she "knows about the holocaust and all that" but that she "doesn't feel sorry for them anymore" because what they're doing in Palestine is wrong. I was surprised that she was self-aware enough to realize she was developing a strong anti-Jewish prejudice, but also that she seemingly was okay or even proud of her prejudice. I tried to talk her out of it but she basically clammed up when I started talking about her duty as a person to counteract the prejudice.
Ultimately, it exposed some of the inner workings when someone is developing a prejudice. They go through life with a simple, wrong heuristic, assigning humans to groups and making them collectively liable for actions of their group. That group is then judged as "good" and worthy of praise, or "bad" and worthy of scorn. It's not complicated stuff but it is shameful and common.
It's funny because you and she have more blood in your hands than those non Israeli Jewish peeps. Your tax money is paying the genocide. Your "heroes" in the army support Israel and attack those who are opposed to them, like Iran.
Well yes, the US is funding genocide and extracting money from me to do it, but I don't really get why you're coming for me personally, edgelord.
I don't have volitional control over the US Military and I don't find the US military and its child killing actions heroic in the slightest, and its a continuation of nasty genocidal work from the foundation to the modern day through My Lai and Abu Ghraib.
I oppose those policies and am actively organizing with my fellow socialists to end this, but we both know it will take more than me saying "no", it will take mass organized revolutionary action. We are all born into a world with disturbing contradictions and injustice and have a burden to work toward a more just world.
I'm not going for you, but "you". That's the thing about communitarianism, you're part of makeup of the actual material conditions, you don't get a individualistic pass of non complicity. The burden is on the shoulders of all people, it's the lifelong brain washing propaganda of self-made men that makes you think otherwise. Socialists in North America shouldn't see themselves as saviors, but penitents instead.
By that logic, are we part of the makeup of the actual material conditions or are some groups more complicit than others? Your hands and your "peeps" are looking pretty bloody as well, comrade.
Yes, they are, and that takes a toll on me. The genocide must be stopped.
I had a similar experience last semester with one of my closer classmates. He basically asked something like "How am I not supposed to be antisemitic?" I just explained to him that there are Jewish antizionists and that he only sees otherwise because the mainstream media amplifies only one side. And that was sufficient for him, but I also have a lot of credibility on this because I've been openly Pro Palestine.
Thing is that I can't blame him at all for coming to this conclusion, every and I mean every single Jewish org in our area is Zionist. So when they see mainstream media, politicians, and Israel conflate the two why wouldn't they believe them?
Yeah, how many synagogues are organizing against the genocide? How many jewish groups are actively advocating for an end to israel? Compared to how many are actively advocating for the genocide and deepening ties to israel
It's not just the media, the quantity of genuninely antizionist jewish organizations is vanishingly small and mostly located within Iran if I had to guess
Also there's definitely a decent amount of jewish anti-zionist orgs in the US. Jewish Voice for Peace (you might've seen their "Not In Our Name" slogan) alone is gigantic and probably the largest or most recognizable pro-Palestine protest group in the country. The name sounds lib, but they're very clear that they're firmly anti-zionist, pro-BDS, and have been calling Israel a settler-colonial, genocidal apartheid state for years. Liberal and conservative zionists alike claim they're infiltrated by Hezbollah
Salience bias. Like half of ethnic Jews in the US are secular; either non-religious or vaguely spiritual but never actually attending synagogues. Zionist Jews tend to be the most religious, loud/ outspoken about their Jewishness, and conflate their ethnicity with their core identity as a person; and thus are way more likely to be involved in synagogues or Jewish orgs. (Also, I'd bet the average Evangelical Christian is even more likely zionist than the average religious Jew.) Meanwhile antizionist Jews tend to blend in with non-Jewish people/ groups and generally don't feel the need to congregate into Jewish identity groups
I have a Jewish friend at my uni who's been fervently pro-Palestine for years. If you saw him at a protest, you'd probably assume he's mediterranean or middle eastern. And he obviously doesn't go around telling people he's an anti-zionist Jew, nor should he have any special obligations that differ from non-Jewish antizionists on the basis that he was born with similar phenotypes to the people committing horrific atrocities
Ethnicity, like race, is a social construct lumping people into blurry categories from a spectrum of superficial appearances. Fun fact: despite diversity in appearance and culture, humans are by far among the least genetically diverse mammals to exist, with phenotypes for appearance making up <0.1% of our actual genes. The vast majority of genetic variation in humans is found within all groups, rather than between groups. Meaning there's a high chance you have more genetic similarities with a stranger of a completely different ethnicity/race from you than a stranger of your own ethnicity/race. Which makes it all the more stupid to consider any group of humans as innately more prone to certain mentalities or behaviors
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Fuck I have seen it happening both on this site and lemmygrad, and some motherfuckers still say shit like "antisemitism isn't a real thing anymore".
What’s happening in this thread has no bearing on material conditions whatsoever. Might as well be talking about belief in the tooth fairy.
this is a discussion about some zionist jews pissing their pants because they saw the words "free palestine" at a hotel
to which genderisopsec raised the fear of potential blowback in the form of genocide against jews.
that's not what blowback means. it would be blowback if genderisopsec were describing a fear of Palestinians or another general Levantine group committing some form of state-sanctioned massacre of the descendants of eurojewish settlers in the aftermath of some future total diminution of the zionist ethnostate.
what genderisopsec described on the other hand is a hypothetical situation in which jews living in the u.s. become the target of state-backed violence as a scapegoat for u.s. leadership and participation in the Nakba so that amerikkkan christozionists don't suffer as much backlash for the genocide powered by their doomsday cult. which is ultimately pretty similar to why tsarist pogroms were originally organized during the late russian empire. this is not blowback because it would be carried about by u.s. settlers and the u.s. state and not people that were actually harmed by the zionist genocides.
I have friends that are staunchly anti-zionist jews and I care about them so actually fuck this take. People I care about are gonna catch shit for this. What is wrong with you? This is not a zero sum game. Also Israel is not killing just non-Jews, they are also killing Jewish Palestinians. Nobody is "centering Jewish safety" and it is perfectly reasonable to talk about all the knock on effects of the actions of Israel.
i guess not enough people on here grew up around kkkrackers using "jewed" as a word for being ripped off. the headline should be two genocide supporters saw the message. christian zionists would have been as offended, and reporting it the way LBC did here makes them complicit in the zionist's conflation.
They're not and have been since before most the fucking people on this site were alive. You act like it's totally invalid to talk about this shit so I am choosing to just ignore you from here out.
Then your friends surely understand that their personal worries are not central to the issue of zionism, which makes your objection pointless.
Are we seriously just not allowed to discuss the fact that Israel's actions are a danger to Jewish people abroad what the fuck dude. Also again, you misrepresented this as genocide against "non-Jewish people" when there are also Palestinian Jews that they have killed and even Israeli Jews the IDF killed on October 7th. I'm done talking to you.
With the understanding that pre-emptively accusing (amongst others) victims of genocide by a dominant group of future racial violence against their oppressors is inherently problematic and that the threat against other groups such as, for instance, muslims and people of MENA descent is much more tangible and immediate, sure.
Edit: That is why I said "Centering".
I don't know how to tell you this, but zionism and the israeli state is an ethnonationalist project built up around jews as an ethnic category. The Israelis who ended up dying as a result of the hannibal doctrine et al do not invalidate this, and the Jews who maintain Palestinian citizenship also don't do that.
Nobody is saying the hypothetical reprisals would come from Muslims, it's acknowledging it is fueling neo-Nazi antisemitism being fomented among white people. I was trying to be calm and to be generous here but this is purely bad faith and you can fuck off now.
Your entire sentence makes no fucking sense by the way, I got what you were saying but you should reread that as a response to what I said because it sounds like gibberish.
Okay then. Let me phrase it thusly then. You are looking at a genocide being done and centering the consequences for the group the ethnonationalist group carrying it out seek to represent.
Edit: Or, even worse. You are looking at a genocide and wondering "Oh no, what will the people against the genocide do in response to this". Because the post only mentions opposition to a connection to genocide as a motivating factor for these future potential antisemitic genocidaires.
"Pre-emptively accusing victims of genocide by a dominant group of future racial violence against their oppressors is inherently problematic" seems pretty clear cut to me, and you understood what I meant. So I'm just going to take this as you lashing out. Indeed just as every other post you have made in this thread have been.
No I mean your entire post was structured in a way that was painful to read. You are acting in bad faith because nobody is claiming it would be Muslims doing reprisal against Jews, that is an inference YOU made. The point is that white neo-Nazis are capitalizing on the conflation of Jews with Israel. You continue to act in bad faith by ignoring the actual substance of what you are responding to.
Okay then. Let me try once more. I think expecting a genocide of the jews based on opposition to genocide is itself far fetched, and I think centering it while an actual genocide is going on based on jewish ethnonationalism and the west's total disregard for the lives of the victims of said genocide and belief in a shared ethnic supremacy over people of MENA descent is bordering on offensive.
"Opposition to genocide" is generally not a motivating factor for genocide, and the idea that the nazis are going to kill jews in the name of Palestine should not be the takeaway from this.
I have never been good at expressing myself, and I accept any specific criticsms you have of my phrasings or any language errors I may have made, but this? This kind of response? This is nothing.
Again not what anyone was saying. @GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net was being hyperbolic and yall got into the weeds ASSUMING they were implying that it was going to cause Muslims to do such reprisal which was not at all their point.
You trying to shut down any discussion of the blowback from this is what I took issue with because it is a real thing that is happening and nobody was centering this discussion around it until yall made your pithy comments in bad faith.
Again this is not a zero sum game and we can and SHOULD be able to discuss all the material outcomes of the actions of the Zionist state. You are still acting in bad faith and so I will still say fuck off to your non-apology.
Let me be clear again, there has been zero apology, non or otherwise. I have done nothing wrong. I was right and I stand by what I said. You on the other hand have said nothing.
You deliberately misrepresented what genderisopsec said multiple times. Nobody claimed this was stirring antisemitism among victims of genocide. Reread the whole thread. Until then stop replying to me.
No and no.
bringing up blowback on a comment under an article about zionists at a hotel is not centering them, the topic was already not Palestinians. and maybe zionist jews would be less genocidal if they were worrying about neonazi blowback? israel knows the blowback is coming and they want it to come so that non-zionist jews will be pushed into their arms and go help do more genocide and occupation.
I don't know how you'd even make this non-story incident focus on the victims of genocide. we don't write fluff pieces every time someone puts up a sticker, but we do get news stories when some zionist can't handle seeing it because they make a big stink and the media goes along with it.
death to zionists, death to israel
That would require the average westerner to give a shit about brown people being killed