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[–] Keld@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

With the understanding that pre-emptively accusing (amongst others) victims of genocide by a dominant group of future racial violence against their oppressors is inherently problematic and that the threat against other groups such as, for instance, muslims and people of MENA descent is much more tangible and immediate, sure.

Edit: That is why I said "Centering".

Also again, you misrepresented this as genocide against "non-Jewish people" when there are also Palestinian Jews that they have killed and even Israeli Jews the IDF killed on October 7th. I'm done talking to you.

I don't know how to tell you this, but zionism and the israeli state is an ethnonationalist project built up around jews as an ethnic category. The Israelis who ended up dying as a result of the hannibal doctrine et al do not invalidate this, and the Jews who maintain Palestinian citizenship also don't do that.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

pre-emptively accusing (amongst others) victims of genocide

Nobody is saying the hypothetical reprisals would come from Muslims, it's acknowledging it is fueling neo-Nazi antisemitism being fomented among white people. I was trying to be calm and to be generous here but this is purely bad faith and you can fuck off now.

Your entire sentence makes no fucking sense by the way, I got what you were saying but you should reread that as a response to what I said because it sounds like gibberish.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nobody is saying the hypothetical reprisals would come from Muslims, it's acknowledging it is fueling neo-Nazi antisemitism being fomented among white people.

Okay then. Let me phrase it thusly then. You are looking at a genocide being done and centering the consequences for the group the ethnonationalist group carrying it out seek to represent.

Edit: Or, even worse. You are looking at a genocide and wondering "Oh no, what will the people against the genocide do in response to this". Because the post only mentions opposition to a connection to genocide as a motivating factor for these future potential antisemitic genocidaires.

Your entire sentence makes no fucking sense by the way, I got what you were saying but you should reread that as a response to what I said because it sounds like gibberish.

"Pre-emptively accusing victims of genocide by a dominant group of future racial violence against their oppressors is inherently problematic" seems pretty clear cut to me, and you understood what I meant. So I'm just going to take this as you lashing out. Indeed just as every other post you have made in this thread have been.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No I mean your entire post was structured in a way that was painful to read. You are acting in bad faith because nobody is claiming it would be Muslims doing reprisal against Jews, that is an inference YOU made. The point is that white neo-Nazis are capitalizing on the conflation of Jews with Israel. You continue to act in bad faith by ignoring the actual substance of what you are responding to.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Okay then. Let me try once more. I think expecting a genocide of the jews based on opposition to genocide is itself far fetched, and I think centering it while an actual genocide is going on based on jewish ethnonationalism and the west's total disregard for the lives of the victims of said genocide and belief in a shared ethnic supremacy over people of MENA descent is bordering on offensive.
"Opposition to genocide" is generally not a motivating factor for genocide, and the idea that the nazis are going to kill jews in the name of Palestine should not be the takeaway from this.

I have never been good at expressing myself, and I accept any specific criticsms you have of my phrasings or any language errors I may have made, but this? This kind of response? This is nothing.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the idea that the nazis are going to kill jews in the name of Palestine should not be the takeaway from this.

Again not what anyone was saying. @GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net was being hyperbolic and yall got into the weeds ASSUMING they were implying that it was going to cause Muslims to do such reprisal which was not at all their point.

You trying to shut down any discussion of the blowback from this is what I took issue with because it is a real thing that is happening and nobody was centering this discussion around it until yall made your pithy comments in bad faith.

Again this is not a zero sum game and we can and SHOULD be able to discuss all the material outcomes of the actions of the Zionist state. You are still acting in bad faith and so I will still say fuck off to your non-apology.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let me be clear again, there has been zero apology, non or otherwise. I have done nothing wrong. I was right and I stand by what I said. You on the other hand have said nothing.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You deliberately misrepresented what genderisopsec said multiple times. Nobody claimed this was stirring antisemitism among victims of genocide. Reread the whole thread. Until then stop replying to me.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago