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Twice a year the entire country collectively agrees the clock change is annoying, unhealthy, and pointless, and then somehow we still keep doing it.
I recall this had gained momentum under Biden but ultimately failed for what I can only perceive as the GOP not wanting that W to happen under the Dems.
From what I understand parents were freaking out about having their kids outside in the dark either before or after school, I don't remember which. That's the only argument against it I think I've ever heard.
Stock market. Everyone is waiting for NY to decide, because an hour shift has huge rippling effects for trading algorithms. It hasn't happened because of $$$, not because leaders care about kids.
Which is so damn stupid. Either shut up, because the northern part of the country and other countries manage this without whinging about it,
OR get involved locally and change the school start time.
I used to wait at the bus stop in the winter at 6am when it was still pitch black out.
It would be light before the bus got there and dark again within two hours of getting home.
This was in Minneapolis, but I lived in the south side while going to a specialized program at North High, the other side of the city, so it wasn't typical.
Anywhere in the north quarter of the continental US already has kids waiting for the bus in the dark, regardless of DST. It's a poor argument from the get go
Yeah and they don’t heave time to enjoy the morning light before school anyway. It’s after school when we need the extra sun (which is still quite limited in northern states).
I mean you get screwed on one side of the equation anyway just because of sunlight hours shortening by the season. Hell, Alaskans have months without meaningful sunlight. And then months with basically 24h sunlight. Unless jobs were to adjust their hours with the seasons theres no way not to get screwed at some point.
There's an appreciable increase in cardiovascular events and car accidents when we lose an hour. For that reason alone we should stop the stupid clock changing.
Kids waiting for the bus in the dark is the most legitimate concern when it comes to this issue.
That's gonna happen anyway. There is no way to guarantee a reasonable sunrise time all year. I hate changing the clocks and like getting up after sunrise, but nothing is more dispiriting than going home from work in the dark, and there would be less of that with permanent DST.
Well, we could just define sunrise as 7 a.m. and Sunset as 7 p.m.
That would mean very long 12 hours in summer and very short 12 hours in winter, but it would make sure that no kid had to take a bus in the dark (unless they take a bus considerably before 7)
Happens a heck of a lot less though the other way. And you being inconvienced is way less compelling.
I'm all for Standard Time
So just move it 30 minutes one last time and call it good.
So then it would be say 4pm on the East Coast of the US and something 30 in every other country? That would make things more confusing for everyone. The rest of the world would have to agree to this and that ain't happening.
Half hour time zones exist but year aren’t common
The rest of the world wouldn't have to agree to it, but I do think it would be a needless complication.
The rest of the world doesn’t need to agree.
Every place except Afghanistan.
Thing is there is a correct and scientifically proven beneficial time (normal time) and one that idiot propaganda is successfully pushing because people positively associate it with summer (even often calling daylight saving time summer time instead).
So not moving on with the discussion was actually the better option.
Nah it's just numbers. A day length is real, but the numbers we lay on it, hours and minutes, are just ways to split it up. There's no magic to calling the direct overhead sun 12, and that doesn't happen at the edges of time zones under either scheme anyway.
You could get it with a sundial, just have longer day "hours" in summer and longer night "hours" in winter.
Correct, it's not magic. It's biology. Light, mostly natural light, is what controls your daily rhythm and what constantly resets your biological clock to a 24 hours cycle when it's by default not that good and might range from 23 to 25 hours naturally.
The latter fact is also responsible for natural early birds or natural late risers because those are people with a natural inner clock more leaning to the 23 hour or 25 hour side respectively.
And that's where things actually get interesting. The majority belongs to the second group. They are also the one most suffering from our modern style of life. Because while the early bird can just start the day a bit slower and can voluntarily go to sleep an hour earlier when his inner clock tells him the day is over (that free time after all), the late risers don't have that choice. Neither can they just sleep a bit longer matching their "but my 25-hour of day/night are not done yet"-cycle because they have to get to work, nor can they go to bed an hour earlier to get enough sleep because they are simple not tired yet and still in day mode.
And there is exactly one thing that helps those people not living in a constant state of light sleep deprivation. Earlier sunrises and sunsets to adjust there biological clock to better work with a 24 hours duration. Daylight saving times does the opposite and hurts the portion of the population already badly adjusted to hour modern day cycle (again: they are the majority, too).
Agreed. I'm all for making solar time stay in place year-round, but it's insanity to mandate we always use the wrong time.
I'd rather it get dark at 9:30 in summer and 5:30 in winter than 8:30 in summer and 4:30 in winter.
I'd rather have dark mornings than dark afternoons.
I'd rather have noon the accurate year-around. I can't switch when the sun is the highest. All other things I can reschedule.
Yeah, I'd rather bright mornings, and so here we are at an impasse!
Just leave it, it is what it is. Or shit, make the following Monday a holiday, how about that. Give us an extra 24 hours to adjust.
There is no wrong time. It's arbitrary numbers it doesn't matter what you call the number at.
Wrong. Noon should be the hour closest to the sun's peak.