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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

He couldn't have "traitor" spelled more clearly on his forehead. How the fuck is he still president?

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 23 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

My brother, Israel is the 51st state, I can't imagine anything more american than Trump being both the pm of pissrael AND the president of the usa.

Ya idk I agree that nothing about this makes Trump a traitor but i do think it says something about the U.S.- Israel relationship, or at least the relationship Israel has with the faction of the bourgeoisie backing trump, that he seems to think he'd be safer there post-presidency, living where the entire country is in range of Iranian missiles and drones

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 39 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Because the entire state apparatchik is dedicated to funding the military base pretending to be a country named isntrael

You can't be a traitor to the USA, it's the most USAan thing in the middle east

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Is treason a crime against "the national interest" or against "the state apparatus"? I think !floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com is referring to the former but in practice people are only ever hung for the latter

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't serving the interest of a foreign nation over those of the country for which you are president pretty much the definition of treason? What the fuck does "the state apparatus" even mean? Corruption?

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'm using "state apparatus" to mean all the networks and hierarchies and institutions that wield the true power of a state.

In the US empire the state apparatus is either blindly supportive of or captured by Israel in all visible cases

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The co-conspirators? They're traitors too, not those that are being betrayed.

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 hour ago

So I think you are saying that the state apparatus in general is betraying the national interest?

I agree with that statement