thread starts here: https://lemmy.ml/post/46418763/25369882
Kicks off with just racist propaganda:
The education is also non-competitive and crippling for the not-so-gifted students, yes?
Because I don’t hear about many student suicides (specifically due to stress and pressure) outside of the Asian countries.
Ends with this:
Thanks for providing the requested chart.
Side note: Jesus christ are you all zealots for china. Please get your dick inside back in your trousers If you like the country so much, I hope you are on the way to move there…
Correcting misconceptions and racist propaganda gets the most lazy insult response.
I'm just gonna leave this right here... :lathe-of-heaven:
I get so fucking put out with settlers and the "why don't you go and occupy that country's land and resources then?" bullshit
How about: "No, we are bringing the Chinese century here and you're going to like it!"
Jk the goal is not so much the "Chinese century" but the "decolonial socialist future" which the Chinese century might be a component of, but that's a lot less quippy so I guess I'll keep working on it
But yeah the "just go to the country store and pick out a different one" settler ass bullshit is enraging
And to clarify if anyone personally wants to move to China or wherever that's between you and the local government, just saying I don't want to hear it from third parties who don't even respect their own land.
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You should probably check into how many academics are coming to the US from China vs leaving the US to go to China these days...
The trend among the educated is very much from the US to China. You're not owning people anymore by saying this, yes people are moving there. It's not some magic gotcha anymore to be like "Well if you like the communist country then move there!" it's literally just the actual trend mate.
I have heard about the brain drain that is going on with China and the US.
Arent they also incentivizing the researchers with grants and salaries to come over?
Wages are lower, but so is cost of living so you get significantly more. Another way you could describe it would be "providing a better quality of life", both in terms of the environment in China being more communal, better designed walkable cities and towns, happier people that actually spend time outdoors, less violence, much safer, better political climate, etc etc etc. It's not really hard to see why it's happening.
All achieved without destroying any other countries to have private companies plunder their minerals I might add.
I mean...The US work culture (as someone from Europe) isnt something you really strive for.
At the worst I'd go there for education I can't get in the EU and go right back after.
China is a beautiful country but it's got it's fair share of corpses in the basement.
Different ones than the US but most likely the same amount.
This is vibes-based. You feel like that is true so you believe it. It is very indicative of a person susceptible to false propaganda, because all such propaganda is vibes-based at the end of the day, the goal being to make someone believe something based on feeling rather than being properly educated about it.
You should strive to avoid this. You do not have to hold opinions or beliefs based on vibes, you can simply not have one, it's perfectly ok to be neutral about something if you don't know enough to be sure that what you've heard is just generated by vibes.
That's what I have seen and experienced (so far).
And right now the whole thread under my first comment to me reads like the whole chinese/sino version of the opposing propaganda.
This (to me) is the most level headed suggestion anyone here has given me so far (thank you for staying civil)
Cheers :)
You haven't actually said any things or experiences.
I personally don't know how you can possibly think that one is going to be comparable to the other. Among the 248 armed conflicts that occurred in 153 regions across the world from 1945 to 2001, 201 were initiated by the US, accounting for 81% of the total number.
I don't know what the numbers are up to 2026, but the Chinese side for that period remains ZERO.
What is it that you are using to determine that they must be comparable in your head? What material real events on the Chinese side amount to something larger than the monstrosity of US historical atrocities. Even just considering total prison populations is wild, the US holds 21% of the world's prison population while China holds 15%, despite China having 1.6billion population to the US' 350million. Westerners (particularly americans) know this and somehow have it in their heads that China is more "authoritarian" because they are the most propagandised and vibes-based people on the planet.
Just for reference, here's the map of places the United States has fought open conflicts in.
How are you meant to read this map? I don't know of any conflict between Australia and the US let alone one that happened in Australia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brisbane
American soldiers were not prepared for the banter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_CIA_involvement_in_the_Whitlam_dismissal
Source: "It came to me in a dream."
The whole time fedi-users say to not glorify country leaders, corpos, public figures (e.g. actors, youtubers), the US and so many more
Yet when it comes to China it's suddenly completely okay to glorify it?
Okay: In that case I will glorify the EU.
Hell yes to the GDPR!
Liberals always have to pretend that there's no choice between absolute hostility towards a designated enemy country and like, some kind of all-consuming sexual obsession. If they didn't, they would have to reckon with the enormous swathes of the human race that support China a normal-ass amount for normal-ass reasons.
And liberalism can't win that battle for hearts and minds against socialism, so it has to tell itself stories about the mindless red zealot hordes instead.
That's why there's all this fediverse drama about how the anarchist instances are "tankies" now. The anarchist instances are currently discovering that you can start out as anticommunist as can be, but 1) The more you reckon with the actual challenges of building a new society, the more you gravitate towards to the solutions backed by trial and experience, and 2) As soon as you deviate in any way from liberal ideology, oppose imperialism or genocide, the liberals will happily drop their mask and add you to The List.
glorifying is when you dont uncritically accept a vibes based hunch that "china must be at least as bad as the US"
you're a clown.
Go back to Reddit you fucking loser
Imagine proudly defending genocidal colonizers and acting like a milquetoast privacy law somehow makes it all worthwhile
You have a better option at the whole punishment for breaking privacy in the western sphere?
All ears.
No actually "trust private companies will do what they say, only for certain people in certain circumstances, except when the US or US related allies say otherwise" is actually the best possible system. There's definitely no other way to do it. Also my personal data privacy is more important than the merciless slaughter of thousands upon thousands of completely innocent people. You convinced me!
Socialists support socialist countries, generally. The PRC isn't "glorified" unduly, it's supported as the socialist state that it is.
Capitalists in the EU can do whatever they want as long as they pay the "indulgence" to clean their sins.
Yeah all glory to chat control, age verification and unrepentant Zionism to such an extent you get arrested for protesting for Palestine.
I think you need to learn what "glorify" means. Seems to be that you think it means "pointing out blatant misinformation" and "actually looking at what a country does instead of just having some vibes based thought process about it all".
I see several protests for palestine in Stuttgart, Germany.
I have yet to see them getting involved with the police.
Ok. Reality doesn't go away because you close your eyes
Lmao it's always the germans. Why don't you join the protests you see? Seems like you know what I'm talking about, Hmmm? (See I can be an annoying redditor too)
And why do you think anecdotal evidence and personal vibes function as a basis of analysis?
Oh you "see" them? Why aren't you among them? Do you not have the desire to protest pissrael? Nah you're glorifying their allies, why would you.
Deutschland verrecke
"Saying that China isn't as bad as the US is glorifying China!"
Just outright admitting you glorify the USA
Respectfully, we're talking a difference of orders of magnitude here
Seriously lmao...China in even the most reactionary sources, who count unconceived babies among victims, states there were around ~60 million people killed. That's about how many Native Americans were killed in North America. Factor in the Transatlantic slave trade and you've already exceded China's highest numbers by tens of millions.
By the time you get to the Korean War, Vietnam, the War on Drugs, the Great Depression, Iraq, and dozens of other conflicts and calamities caused by the US, it's not even close.
Except in China's case, those landlords deserved it.
Why on Earth would you assume a developing socialist country would have the same share of "corpses in the basement" as the world's imperial hegemon, built on slavery and settler-colonialism and all of the genocide this entails?
Source: it came to me in a racist dream
Were the language barrier smaller, you'd likely see more migration to China at this point tbh
People move to countries where they can't speak the language all the time. The biggest barrier is that it's very difficult to legally immigrate to China.
I could probably move to China. I could likely incredibly improve my life. And I won't because I refuse to give up on my communities.
I don't begrudge anyone fleeing this shithole but there's good reason to stay and struggle to make the world a better place for those who can't leave.