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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just skate right past the mass surveillance

Not that the USA is much better - they do it at arm’s length and aren’t as developed.

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

...You're posting from a German instance.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And? Is it worse than china or the US?

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The country that pioneered online censorship? The one that was trying to de-anonymize the internet while China just didn't have internet access for 99.9999999% of its population? The country, first among developed country, that made political speech against the regime a criminal offense that starts at jail time? The literal blueprint for how not to make laws in regards to privacy or any possible definition of the word 'freedom?'

Yeah it's weird seeing cameras on every block in China... or Berlin. But unlike the latter it doesn't actually do anything in China. Like you have to commit an actual crime, and usually you'd be stopped by locals long before the police do anything based on the footage.

Projection is the favourite tactic of fascists; and literally any horror story you've heard about China (all of which have been through organizations exclusively funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, a CIA run organization) is just something actively happening in the US or EU.

[–] Libertus@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You have to commit an actual crime or you just need to be a Uighur then you will end up in a friendly concentratio… erm… re-education camp.

Do you even know what characterizes fascism?

Do aspects like the cult of leadership, hyper-nationalism, the myth of national rebirth, or state-directed capitalism, to name a few, ring any bell?

Bad troll! Now go back to your cave.

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No. There is no evidence of a 'Uyghur Genocide.'

Yes, I know what characterizes, fascism.

Cult of leadership, objectively, does not apply to China. Evidence, peer-reviewed and heavily scrutinized evidence, is required for someone to advance politically in China. You do not get ahead due to myths or who you blow; unlike the US for instance, where wealth objectively buys power.. This does lead to more competent leaders, of course, but that's not a 'cult of leadership' as we see with US presidents or of course the Big H. We don't say there's a cult of leadership around Einstein, for a few obvious reasons.

Hyper-nationalism is also hilarious as a term written in English. Did you know, in communist China, your kids can be arrested if they do not pray to the flag and repeat the communist party's attestation of loyalty to Xi Jinping‽ Oh. Oh wait. China does have national pride. They are responsible for the single greatest and fastest elimination of extreme poverty in world history. They are responsible for engineering feats that absolutely shadow the entirety of the West's industrial golden age. There is more rail in China than the entirety of Both Americas, and all of Europe, and all of Russia, combined. And nearly all of it was built in the last 30 years. And all of it is affordable enough that the median worker can transit from Beijing to Xinjiang every work day, if they really wanted. That'd be New York to LA. That costs $3k in the US. Pride is not hypernationalism; but it can be confused for that if you happen to be an enemy of the western fascist hegemony.

The myth of national rebirth... as in they literally took power back from western colonial forces and an imperial dictatorship and created a people's republic...? That would literally be a rebirth. I know you're trying to echo Eco, but really this is just a poor point since it wasn't a myth. It was the single largest popular revolution in world history.

State-directed capitalism, is weird name for socialism. I can link you a dozen books on how exactly the Chinese economy works if you get tired of random journalists with no economic background telling you randomly-strung together words.

So in short, no. It doesn't ring a bell. I might update with more sources but honestly I'm bored at this point.

I hope you educate yourself further. It's genuinely tough to be well informed in the west, what with the massive online censorship and complete misinformation from multi-trillion dollar propaganda campaigns, but it's worth it, I promise.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 5 points 1 week ago

sigh, i should remember to read usernames...
See you never.

[–] UntimedDiffusion@piefed.zip 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sorry, but I'm afraid your first line invalidates the rest of your comment. I suppose nothing happened at Tiananmen Square either?

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 days ago

Thoughts successfully terminated. Ideology protected.

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The recent Iran riots literally followed the exact same playbook.

  • Latch onto a peaceful protest movement with legitimate grievances.
  • Flood the streets with foreign agents and agitators.
  • Escalate violence against responding police forces, leading to days of pitched street battles.
  • Just completely make up whatever number you feel like about how many people were killed, and then it's now your convenient talking point to do whataboutism anytime the country is mentioned.
    • Notice how the number keeps going up without any citation or evidence? Now Hegseth is saying 45,000, no doubt it will grow to 100,000 before long.

Does anyone remember what actually happened to "Tank Man"? We are led to believe that the tanks simply rolled the guy over. The extended footage shows that they tried to route around him, there was a standoff and then he left.

Have you seen the big dump of photos of Tiananmen? Suspiciously high number of murdered police for a peaceful protest, eh?

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Suspiciously high number of murdered police for a peaceful protest, eh?

Oh tankies are pro-cop now?

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I don't recall saying that one way or the other, but I definitely consider immolated corpses of police to be a definitive rebuttal to "peaceful protest" and evidence of agitator activity

[–] gwulgg@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago
[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

tbf he did say

There is a real cyberpunk energy here.