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[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You can spin him to be whatever you like, he himself does, but I have never in well over a hundred hours of listening to him heard him explain his project this way. The way he explains his project is: You need to meet the masses "where they're at," which means participating no just in bourgeoise government but supporting and running candidates in bourgeoisie parties in order to try to use it as a platform for socialism (I view this as ridiculous) and to promote progressive policy so that Americans can understand that a society can be run in a more pro-social way and thereby be more functional rather than less, as they had been misled (I think this is fair enough).

You can say that Lenin was wrong or irrelevant, but to say he was in agreement with Hasan's strategy when he, like Marx, strongly opposed participating in bourgeois parties in favor of running socialist candidates under a socialist party, is incorrect.

Hasan has a little bit of a Waiting for Godot problem where he wants an electorally viable socialist party to already exist before he's willing to admit that voting for whatever kamalabot the dems put forward is counterproductive, when making such concessions is detrimental to the formation of an opposition party because it's literally the most fundamental point of the dem's anti-domestic-left strategy to maintain the duopoly by extracting those concessions.

[–] Nopeace@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

I didn't say lenin was in agreement with Hasan, Lenin is especially not irrelevant. I also don't think it matters much of hasan is doing this, consciously, to prove that bourgeois democracy will never produce the needed results for the working class. All that matters is that people see the Dems failing them time and the again and slowly realize the bourgeois democracy will never help them because the next logical step after that is "howdo we get a democracy that represents us. The answer is a socialist revolution

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

There's a lot of value being in those local Dem spaces. I'm not talking national but the local county and state parties. They're not all ghouls and a lot of those Democrats are a nudge away from gaining class consciousness. A lot of good organizing ends up in that party because a lot of people do not know alternatives are even possible.

We all all shold learn to get more comfortable being uncomfortable. Agitate at these Dem events.. Those spaces are where we meet the workers now, now the ideal form of them that hasn't materialized in several decades of non-electoral organizing.

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Local dem spaces where I am are doing fundraisers for zionists and calling the cops on protesters

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Sounds like a great reason to grab some comrades and disrupt that shit. I bet there are people even in that room that agree with you and just need "permission" to speak out

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The people “speaking out” are the protesters who are being arrested and screamed at by the democrats

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That really depends on the space. Not all local Dem parties are like that. From where I sit non-electoral organizing also hasn't brought qny change in the last few decades so IDK if either of us are right or wrong. It's more likely you pick the lane that gives you the best shot in the place you live rather than discard any one way to make progress

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

hexbear will never be communist will it, mamdanism forever

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm an MLM (Marxist-Leninist-Mandanist) pete

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