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Government is like money. Get rid of it and people will create it again to fill the function they need it to fill, so let's have it do what we need and help instead of harm
There is still a point, though, when a government gets so bad that you just have to throw it away even if you know a new one would eventually rise to replace it.
Yup. People are social animals, and governments are just formalized outgrowths of the social structures they form. Fun bit, the research they've done shows that not just people but all primates fall back into all of the same social structures they are used to whenever there is a vacancy.
And other shit liberals tell themselves to never attempt change.
call me when you've built a single homeless shelter. just one. then you can lecture me on anything.
you just sit behind your keyboard. Some of us (not you) actually live it.
I would be arrested for doing so, as I would not meet legal qualifications. I volunteer preparing and serving food to the community, houseless or not.
But that has nothing to do with your ridiculous argument that people would simply recreate the same systems of oppression as if it were a natural biological trait of all people and not a social construct.
so it sounds like even though you're fond of citing dunbar you've never actually read his research. CURIOUS.
When have I cited Dunbar?
you're making that up
No, they aren't. Humans have been using currency for thousands of years because it's just assigning a value to labor.
While a currency free system is possible on a very small scale, it's not something that can reasonably scale.
Which is the main problem with anarchy. You have to have a centralized government with a vertical hierarchy when you're dealing with massive populations because there are too many moving parts for millions of small groups to effectively self advocate.
Not to mention that achieving anarchy would require total world domination through a robust centralized power structure and lots and lots of killing.
if you're going to just make things up, you should start off by letting everyone know so tehy don't waste their time on your storytelling.
What exactly am I making up?
every line of that comment.
So you are unable to specify exactly what was fabricated.
At least you should be able to provide evidence against the things I said.
I mean, it's not like ancient Mesopotamia had accounting practices 7000 years ago or anything.
I'm sure there are plenty of examples of currency and hierarchy free societies with populations in the tens to hundreds of millions you could provide.
I'd also be interested to see what your plan is to peacefully change the governmental structure for 8 billion people.
We've never entirely eliminated money or government at a large scale to test the hypothesis if we would just make these concepts again. So it is entirely made up to say we would just invent them again because you can't prove we would. Admittedly, its nearly impossible to test in the real world.
It's impossible to do in the real world because doing so would violate the core tenants of anarchy. You'd have to conquer the world to get things to change within our lifetime.
For the record, I'm all for anarchy. I just don't think it's achievable due to human nature.
Thats the conundrum. Our ideological morals says it has to be the people's choice, you cannot conquer them and force it. But tbh I dont think a nation has tried it (mostly because no nations want to desolve themselves). Closest we have in modern day is the Zapatistas iirc.
i did. every line.
That's not being specific. Words have meaning.
you're sealioning now. you know you made all that up because you don't have a credible source for any of it. go play games somewhere else.
My credible source is the entirety of written history, buddy.
that's not a source. it's hand waiving.
your gif broke. but i foundi t, and it's just an appeal to ridicule, not evidence for your claim.
i thought you were making a joke (one i liked, too) that i said people create things. no worries, it's hard to communicate tone over text.
straight up mott and bailey. retreat from your specific, unjustified claim to one very broad and easy to defend.
sorry, but you're committing the fallacy fallacy and i don't debate people who do that bullshit
wrong, but you just did.
let us spout the names of fallacies instead of talking, that is productive. that's you.
another appeal to ridicule, but no evidence that money or government are inevitabilities.
i explicitly said i don't want a debate.
yet you keep demanding i provide logic and evidence. what is that but demanding a debate? do you really think everyone here is that stupid?
i am not demanding anything. i'm pointing out that you literally made up your claim, and rather than even try to support it, you play rhetorical games.
Fine you don't want to have a debate or have people challenge your opinions. You only want to tell others that their opinions are objectively wrong and everyone else except for you and your chosen few are idiots. My dude, what you're doing isn't new, I've been seeing it on the internet for decades.
I am right, they are wrong. they made baseless claims and proceeded to posture as though I was wrong for calling them out.
your characterization doesn't change any of the facts.
that's how speech works. people make up what they say. do you shout that at everyone?
edit: wait, do you only communicate in quotes? Is that what you were expecting?
when making claims about the natural world, doing that is worse than just keeping your mouth shut.
shame you wouldn't recognize when you're talking to an expert, since they have information and experience that contradicts your keyboard warrior lifestyle. but go off.
an unsupported appeal to authority.
if you were an expert you wouldn't have made the erroneous claim.
there you go with your fallacy fallacy again ben
wrong.
I don't want debate. I want you to stop making things up and spreading them as fact.
ooo, i get this every time i call out medical practitioners for committing crimes. within hours. which one was it you personally committed?
great. ad hominem with a red herring. still no evidence for your claim that government and money will pervade every society.