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The polling showed that Fetterman was at +68 with Democrats in Pennsylvania back in 2023.

“He was a Democrat liberal darling,” Enten said.

That is no longer the case.

“Look at how low he has fallen, down to negative 40 points,” Enten said showing the new data. “He’s down there with the Titanic among Democrats in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

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[–] arsenyv@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Congressmen (and women) should have a 2 year term limit max. Six years of doing whatever the hell he wants with no regard for his constituents is insane.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago (4 children)

You like many Americans are trying to solve cultural rot by putting in more rules. "If only we had a rule that ___" this wouldn't have happened. That's not going to solve this. Being a congress-person is a skill. It requires actual skill, and it takes time to get to know how to be most effective. You can put in this rule if you want, and it might solve the problem you're targeting, but it will create many more. You can't solve problems caused by cultural rot (literally tens of millions of voters being okay with this) by putting in more administrative rules. Ultimately , democracies grant the people the power to destroy democracy. That is what the US is choosing.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

You like many Americans are trying to solve cultural rot by putting in more rules. "If only we had a rule that ___" this wouldn't have happened.

That also doesn't fix the problem of an administration that freely ignores the rules with complete impunity.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

Being a congress-person is a skill. It requires actual skill

I could never tell by looking at them.

All I see is incompetents at best, and corrupt profiteers at worst. Often both.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Americans love rules. Now I live in England, which has more rules on paper, but where most rules are widely disregarded.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I visited friends near Bath last year and they decided to take me canal boating. They signed one form to rent the boat and then a guy came on board and taught us how to drive it. I didn't sign anything. They didn't check my license or sort out any insurance or anything. I drove it for over 3 hrs lol. I was thinking how much paperwork such a thing would take of this was in the US or Canada.

[–] NannerBanner@literature.cafe 1 points 1 day ago

Not sure how big a canal boat is, but all it took was a small chunk of change and I was given a boat big enough to dent a cargo ship, near a major shipping channel. I told the fella renting the boat that I was going to teach my family/friends how to use it, and off we went! So, at the very least, the statement that it would take a bunch of paperwork over in the new world is not universally correct.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Thank you for putting into words what has seemed obvious to me for decades, but I don't think I've ever put it quite this well.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I’m all for term limits, but 2 years is not nearly long enough to be effective in a job.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

We have a lot of examples of state governments that have term limits. There's no evidence that governance has been improved. The only thing that changes is that more power shifts to the civil servants, and to the party bureacrats who control the revolving door to the next position.

Term limits are the kind of solutions that you hear MAGAts proposing: if it begins with "Why don't we just..." then it's probably already been thought of, been tried, and has failed.

[–] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The only thing that changes is that more power shifts to the civil servants,

And most importantly, power shifts to the lobbiests who help advise on how to write the laws to maximally benefit their clients. It's yet another carve out for billionaires and those who control extensive capital.

[–] arsenyv@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well presumably he would be re-elected if he does what he has promised to do.

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 4 points 2 days ago

So in essence you want congressmen to have to campaign even more than they do now.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That’s not what term limit means. You must mean term length.

[–] arsenyv@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks, yeah I think I kind of combined the 2 in my mind. Maybe something like 2 year term length with a maximum term limit of 6 years?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd be concerned that any politician who had to be reelected every two years would spend one year fundraising and another year campaigning for reelection, then repeat.

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

So... the House.

[–] MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Depends on the job, but elected members of Congress get an incredible amount of support staff.

First, they have a full team of staffers who can guide them through the legislative processes/procedures. Communications, press, scheduling, admin, secretarial - all provided.

Second, they have support from their own party. Campaign offices, re-election staff, community outreach, all that sort of thing.

Of course, they still don't have time to read every single bill and understand the complexities. But the length of term doesn't help for things like that. The length of term is more to let your constituents decide whether you are doing your job. A vote of confidence/no confidence.

And, an underlying reason for short term limits is balance of power. One chamber of Congress (the House) is filled with an ever-changing cast of "average Joes". The other, more prestigious house (the Senate) is filled with power brokers and career politicians.

[–] Jack@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

“Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses, and American universities - and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, […] you’re going to get selfish, ignorant leaders.

Term limits ain’t going to do any good; you’re just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans.

So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it’s not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here… like, the public.” – George Carlin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBrbXOmnW70

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I understand where you are coming from, but I think that recalls would be much more effective.

[–] arsenyv@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah that's fair.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

None of the top democracies have term limits for their representatives. Term limits do nothing to prevent people from electing shitheads.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They don't know what "term limits" mean. They might not even know what the term means and just accidentally strung it together even:

should have a 2 year term limit max.

What they're trying to complain about is the length of a term, not a limit to consecutive terms.

But like, best of luck explaining anything to them, every comment has multiple new things that need explained.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The US has term limits for its president.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

...and isn't a top democracy.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

America, like most democratic countries, is not a democracy at all.
America is a constitutional republic with democratic representation.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Democracy is a word describing where soveriegnty rests within the system: With a king (monarchy), with a religious leader (theocracy), or with the people (democracy). The United States traditionally was a republic, a form of democracy in which representatives operate the government on behalf of the people. Of course, now it's well on the way to autocracy (rule by an individual).

[–] arsenyv@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Maybe in the broadest cynical sense, no. In this case though, Fetterman masqueraded a a democrat and completely changed his act once he got into office.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

More reps, shorter terms, recallable, chosen by sortition, etc, etc, etc. Or whatever we can all agree on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Congressmen (and women)

Pedantic and off topic, but it would have been a shit ton easier if we just ate a masculine prefix and leave "man" as a gender neutral one.

Something extra douchey like "heman/hemen", so that all the douches would eagerly use it.

And everyone can just go back to using "man" as a gender neutral option like most languages were built around.

So we could say "Congressmen" to describe humans in Congress.

Like, what are you even suggesting?

Congresswomen? "Congress women"? "Women who are in Congress"?

Do you understand why none of those make sense?

It's because "congressmen" is already gender neutral.

"Mankind" literally includes everyone. Women, men, nonbinary, furries, saxophone players, your mother-in-law, literally every human

Why are you so hung up on genitals, that you insist they be brought up at every moment? How do you care enough to put that effort in, but never actually got pedantic enough to see what was correct?

[–] PoastRotato@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even more pedantic and off-topic, but this is actually how the English language used to work. In Old English, "man" just referred to a person, whether they were male or female, adult or child. If you wanted to refer to an adult male specifically, you would say "were", and an adult woman was a "wif". Eventually, male defaultism shifted the language such that "man" referred to an adult male, and adult females were called "wifmen" to avoid confusion, which eventually evolved into "women".

Incidentally, we still see "were" used in modern English as part of the construction of the world "werewolf", literally meaning "man-wolf".

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

but this is actually how the English language used to work. In Old English, “man” just referred to a person, whether they were male or female, adult or child.

It still does, and it makes no logical sense for ignorant people to keep trying to force a binary divide for a non-binary population.

Just use "man" for anyone, if someone's demographic is ever relevant, that's why we have adjectives in the first place.

It's just weird when people have to shout:

And also people with vaginas!

Literally right after saying "everyone". And it's annoying because like most people who are the problem, they legitimately think they're the ethical ones.

Well at least with the Senate there's a Latin suffix system that is oft forgotten, that being tor trix suffix. So a male Senate member is a senator and female member is a senatrix.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

In Anglo-Saxon, "man" meant "person," like Mensch in German still does.

"Woman" was "wyfman"-- female-human-person. And because sexism has ancient roots, the default gender assumption for a person was that they were male.

So it's not quite as straightforward as you propose, and the gender-neutrality you mention wasn't really all that wonderfully gender-neutral after all.

So how about this, based more on modern usage: "person" for a person, regardless of what their gender might be.

"Man" for those of male gender, however that gets socially assigned.

"Woman" for those of female gender, likewise.

And for all the edge and corner cases that make our world so richly diverse, well, we'll need to figure those out too, hopefully without being oppressive about it.

[–] arsenyv@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Actually, no I don't believe "congressmen" is gender neutral. Maybe I should have used "representatives" instead but there's nothing wrong with being all inclusive.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Actually, no I don’t believe “congressmen” is gender neutral

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/congressman

a member of a congress

It doesn't matter what you "believe". "Beliefs" are just opinions that someone can't defend logically.

You are wrong. And on some level you understand that or you'd come up with the femine version of "congress women" that doesn't immediately make an English speaker recognize it as nonsensical.

It's pattern recognition, not even conscious thought.

You not being able to admit you were wrong, is just tiresome honestly.

[–] arsenyv@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Sorry for English not being my first language I guess? Nice to see Lemmy has become as hostile as Reddit.

Also I can link the dictionary at you as well: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/congresswoman

[–] santa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Platforms don’t change people.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

Right...

So you referred to two groups:

  1. Everyone in Congress, literally all of them men, women, nonbinary, doesn't matter

  2. Also, women in Congress

And you're acting smug, and like you're somehow correct?

Sorry for English not being my first language

If someone corrects you, listen.

Get mad and slap fight and someone that actually understands this shit and has shown a willingness to help you...

Someone who has absolutely zero to gain from ever helping you...

Is probably just gonna help someone else instead

Omg dude the tears lol

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 1 points 2 days ago

That’s just it, most off these guys don’t consider their voters to be constituents, only the billionaire class.