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[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 256 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Lenovo also owns the Motorola phone brand, and they're going to adopt/allow GrapheneOS. I think they know how to grab customers right now, and I honestly like it.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 112 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They're usually also well supported on Linux, and even sell them with Ubuntu pre-installed. Generally not a terrible brand.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Is that a good idea for a non tech person* with no Linux experience who absolutely needs to send documents successfully to others the first time without delay or should I just wait until my degree is finished and I am less dependent on document interoperability and have fewer absolute deadlines?

  • My level of technical knowledge is here: if a program or usb device isn’t functioning, I know to check the driver, but I always have to look up what the device manager is called. On the other hand, I am capable of looking things up and following simple instructions, which has to count for something.
[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're as prepared as anyone ever is. Getting good with a search engine is the best preparation.

Also, if that fails? Most distros have a forum where you can ask for help and actually get it.

Document interoperability? LibreOffice works well, and you can save in all the same formats as MS Office and more.

The learning curve is mostly what the new tools and programs are called. But so much stuff actually works better over there in Linux land - VLC, Krita, Blender, Audacity, much more.

Try things in a Virtual Machine! If you really can't give up some of your windows tools, you can try dual-booting, but Windows Update doesn't always play nice with another OS on the machine.

[–] Addv4@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Also, don't forget creating a bootable USB stick with the distros you think you'd like. Rufus or balena etcher should get you there, just figure out what distros you think you'd like to try out, as sometimes it can be easier to set those up than create a vm, plus you might be able to notice any obvious issues running natively.

[–] Ftumch@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Depends. If you use Google docs or the browser version of Office 365 (or whatever it's called now) you'll be fine. If you want to use an offline document editor, you'll need to be technical enough to understand the difference between file formats like doc, odf and pdf.

If you receive a doc file, edit it in LibreOffice and send it back, the recipient might complain that the layout has shifted slightly.

If you need to be absolutely sure the recipient gets the document layed out exactly as you created it and they don't need to edit it, exporting to pdf is a good option.

If you need to send or receive Excel/spreadsheet files you might have a bad time, I think. Though interoperability there may have improved since the last time I tried that sort of thing.

Before switching to Linux, download the Windows/Mac version of LibreOffice or OnlyOffice and see if it suits your needs. If not, it should be possible to run Office 365 on Linux using Wine or Winboat. However, Wine might not work or require too much tinkering for the average noob. Winboat should be more foolproof, but will increase the startup time of the application because you're running it inside a Windows VM.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago

You can try out most Linux software immediately on Windows, so you know what you're in for. LibreOffice and GIMP work in Windows, but that isn't really true the other way around with Office and Photoshop. Your mileage may vary when it comes to tolerating these alternatives.

[–] FlowerFan@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago

It depends. If you get a Laptop that is specifically compatible with Linux (like a Lenovo) and use a "noobie Distro" (like I do (Linux Mint or Fedora, whichever looks nicer to you)) then you're fine

If you use a Laptop which is not compatible, you're going to have a very bad time

[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Your technical knowledge as described is unironically far beyond the average user so I'd say you're probably good. Depends on what you want to do though. You can occasionally have problems if you need to do something specific or are married to software that doesn't exist on Linux. Word processing is down pat. You won't have the app version of Microsoft Office, but there are open source alternatives like LibreOffice that are compatible with Office file types. For formatting, you may have to download some Microsoft owned fonts since they're technically proprietary and not bundled with Linux/your office suite. In browser, Microsoft 365 and Google Docs works no differently than normal.

As someone else mentioned, you can test almost any distro on a live USB. There is also this site where you can remote in and test the general look and feel for free. You won't have an internet connection though:

https://distrosea.com/

[–] brie_cheese@piefed.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

your level of technical knowledge is so far beyond the average person's that it's insane. the idea of 'my computer has a problem, i'm going to google what the popup says' simply does not occur to so, so many people.

[–] brie_cheese@piefed.ca 1 points 1 month ago

also- you can definitely make and send documents with linux, no problem. more popular distros (ubuntu, mint, fedora (which i recommend, but im biased)) are as intuitive and point-and-click for surface level use as Windows is, and most come pre-installed with an office suite.

[–] SargonOfACAB@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago

Installing something like Linux Mint or Ubuntu is fairly easy. The hardest part is probably creating the install media and that's not particularly hard ei her.

If you don't rely on specific software (like Adobe), using Linux is a good idea. I'd still advice not to mess with a computer you rely on and wait until you have sufficient time to troubleshoot something. Even if nothing goes wrong a new OS can still take a little getting used to.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Try with a VM first, or install on an external drive and boot from USB.

I got a Mac at work and I struggled for a long time to do many basic things. Any change can be a challenge and there's a learning curve. Same moving to Linux

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

who absolutely needs to send documents successfully to others

While the problem is Micro$lop intentionally not following their own document standard, i'd say wait until you finish your degree.
Generally speaking though, unless you ave very specific needs, you'll most likely do fine with linux. You can try a liveUSB version: boot it of off a USB drive, test it, without installing (it'll be slower though).

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago

You should be fine if it's just messing with the usual document types but my understanding is universities use a lot of proprietary bullshit for homework and stuff these days that probably doesn't play well with Linux. I would try setting up a virtual machine or a old PC if you have one first to dip your toes in the water

[–] NinjaTurtle@feddit.online 2 points 1 month ago

I think you'll be OK but there will be a slightly learning curve since it is a different OS. As for documents make sure they work well with either LibreOffice or OnlyOffice, which should be available on other OSes. There are also always online office suites if needed.

If you have a spare flash drive, you can also test out Linux distros (flavors) before installing them in a live mode, like a demo.

Best of luck.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not gonna lie, Linux is a pretty big learning curve, but it's worth it to get away from Apple and (especially) Microslop Winblows. It's the only OS that respects the user.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

IMO switching to Linux as a new user is no harder than switching from Windows to Mac, which I think is something more people can identify with and aren't afraid of, for the most part.

[–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Couldn't disagree more. Having to learn how to use the command line to complete basic tasks is a huge learning curve.

[–] radioactivefunguy@piefed.ca 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

what basic task have you run into that requires the command line? have you tried Mint? my 83 year old dad has been on mint for over a year with no complaints, and I don't think he even knows how to open the terminal . . .

[–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm just not interested in rehashing this conversation. Anyone who has used Linux already knows, even if they won't admit it. Being dishonest about it isn't helping anyone. I used Windows for 30 years and never touched any kind of CLI in that time. I did use it on MacOS but only for Homebrew because there's no other GUI alternative.

[–] radioactivefunguy@piefed.ca 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

OK, if your talking homebrew on Mac, then your not just doing "basic" things. yes, for power users on Linux, we need to use the CLI. For actual basic things (browsing, word processing, consuming media) you absolutely don't need to touch it at all on many "noob" distros.

So claiming that there's a steep learning curve for basic things is going to turn off new users, who would be perfectly fine never looking at a terminal to do what they need

[–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 1 month ago

if your talking homebrew on Mac, then your not just doing “basic” things

Using homebrew on Mac is obviously not a "basic thing on Linux".

[–] brie_cheese@piefed.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i think it heavily depends on the person's use case. if someone is doing web browsing and maybe making a couple word documents, the learning curve is negligible. also, you dont need to use BASH to do most things, it's 2026. most anything you can think of, you can do via GUI.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It doesn't matter what the usecase is if the Wifi or speakers or camera don't work. Or if all the icons and text are so small as to be nearly impossible to read.

[–] Attacker94@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That Is almost always a hardware compatibility issue, if you get a machine that is specifically meant for Linux, even the jankiest of distros will not have all but the last issue, and for the last one if fractional scaling is causing issues just double your scale.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

if you get a machine that is specifically meant for Linux

LOL those are all like $2k

if fractional scaling is causing issues just double your scale.

I don't think you understand what this is...

[–] brie_cheese@piefed.ca 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

LOL those are all like $2k

I'm typing this message from a 16-year-old ThinkPad T410 running Linux flawlessly. cost 60CAD. any ThinkPad will run Linux like a dream, and the newer ones are like, $200-600 second-hand, depending on how fancy you want it to be.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago

We're discussing brand new dedicated Linux laptops and you want to bring up a 16 year old Windows computer? Yeah nah, you're just intentionally arguing in bad faith. Goodbye.

[–] Attacker94@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

LOL those are all like $2k I'll give you that if you want it officially supported they tend to come with those price tags, although i did find this one which is officially supporting linux at the midrange price tag Laptop, I mainly mean that the individual components are supported which you could determine through a little bit of research, but generally speaking if you don't want to pay the premium, you should be prepared for a little bit of trouble shooting, but normally it is only for the webcam nowadays. Overall, I have changed the os on many of my laptops, and they have always either had no missing functionality after installation or had a forum that explained how to fix its issues that was a one and done fix.

if fractional scaling is causing issues just double your scale.I don't think you understand what this is...

Could you be more specific about what you mean? I don't think I claimed anything that would be out of the purview of fractional scaling.

[–] brie_cheese@piefed.ca 0 points 1 month ago

that still pertains to usercase. if a user has a thinkpad the whole shebang is gonna work ootb. if you cant research 'is my laptop compatible with [os]', stick to iphones.

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 month ago

Couldn't disagree more. Having to learn how to use a Mac is a huge learning curve.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Lol what I was using Linux when I was a kid. Other than learning how to use terminal commands and a package manager occasionally it's hardly any different from other OSs

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

You're exactly at the perfect level to start getting your feet wet without losing productive time (as long as you don't go on a distro-hop frenzy 🤣).

Weirdly enough, you're way ahead of 99% of the tech-using population worldwide.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

If you know what a driver and device manager is and know how to Google search you are already leagues ahead of most ordinary people, especially with AI now getting answers is even easier, if your use case is simple student stuff and sending documents, Linux is gonna be very comfortable for that, the only concern is a minor chance of driver issues for something like biometric sensor or graphics cards on laptops, for that you can look up which distro and driver combo works for your specific hardware, but in my experience these days by and large most Linux distro just work out of the box with mordern hardware, you can test one out before installing with a live USB and if you want the most amount of compatibility but a laptop that comes pre installed with Linux or has the option of Linux provided by the manufacturer as that guarantees the hardware plays nice at least with the distro the manufacturer supports

[–] currycourier@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Didn't they have some huge controversy for having spyware pre-installed or something like that a few years ago? Doesn't take away from the direction they're moving in now, though! Hopefully they continue to move in this more pro-consumer direction.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah the Superfish incident. AFAIK they haven't done anything sketchy since then and if you're the type to just wipe everything and install your own distro anyway it shouldn't really affect anything but still not a great look.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ubuntu? Yeah. It's pretty much the only distro I will recommend against using (the Ubuntu spins are usually fine though). They offer Fedora as well though. And it's still way better than Winblows.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

I presume you are referring to the SuperFish scandal in 2015.

[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

They were also the first OEM to support steam deck on their handheld (beside Valve).

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago

It's Lenovo reading the room (well, which is unusual), rather than worrying about the consumer.
It's still a big corpo and line must go up.
Nice to see this is turning out to be a net positive though.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Isnt lenovo the company that used to make the rugged military laptops that actually had Chinese or foreign backdoors installed?

Edit: for those interested https://www.investigativeeconomics.org/p/government-still-buying-lenovo-laptops

Edit 2 from a quick search. Lenovo laptops have faced allegations of containing backdoor vulnerabilities that could allow unauthorized access to data, particularly concerning military use. These concerns have led to bans on Lenovo products by various intelligence agencies due to potential cybersecurity risks.

 securityaffairs.com Wikipedia

Lenovo Laptops and Backdoor Concerns

Background on Lenovo's Security Issues

Lenovo, a Chinese technology company, has faced multiple allegations regarding security vulnerabilities in its laptops. These concerns primarily revolve around potential backdoors that could allow unauthorized access to sensitive data.

Notable Incidents

Year Incident Description 2008 U.S. military investigators reported finding backdoored chips in Lenovo motherboards, which allegedly logged keystrokes and transmitted data.

2013Intelligence agencies in the U.S., UK, and Australia banned Lenovo PCs due to backdoor vulnerabilities discovered during testing.

2015The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) charged Lenovo for pre-installing adware that created security vulnerabilities, leading to a settlement.

2016The Pentagon warned that Lenovo computers could introduce compromised hardware into the Defense Department.

[–] Kriznick@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's fucking depressing and SO ironic...

So in order to get more spying machines onto US IT networks, their honey pot is "build a product that is pro consumer", and it will sell like hotcakes in the IT community.

What a fucking timeline

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

The shitty aspect is their actually not bad hardware. They last forever and seem to be held in high regards in the tech community but it's as if people forgot a decade later than their still owned by Chinese. Still banned for security reasons for military use even currently after 20 years. Now the military still supplies them just not for mission critical purposes but for personal devices not govt use.

Wild. Every tech person at some point shills for Lenovo and they do have great things. Just screams Trojan horse to me still. IMO

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Motorola has been kinda crap for years now, not supporting their android phones with updates, etc.

Hopefully this is a new leaf for them.

Isn't Lenovo that dodgy company that did the China stuff though? Hopefully they've been bought by someone else since then.