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What is this imperialist trash doing in an ostensibly "progressive" com?
Settle down. We need to have principles to live together in a global society. Moral relativism will get us nowhere and rampant individualism is a big reason why capitalism inevitably leads back to authoritarianism. Under capitalism the ends always justify the means.
A progressive world is one in which we have international law and a functioning UN that actually gives a shit about human rights, dignity, and freedoms. That should mean liberating those under oppressive regimes.
I hate nobody in this world more than Trump right now, but the one thing he gets right by accident is that relying on the US to do the dirty work of foreign intervention was never the right move.
The UN collectively should have liberated Iran years ago, and stepped in to keep Afghanistan out of Taliban hands as the US left, and more. These nations screw over their people constantly and they clearly couldn't care less about their neighbors either - case in point Iran attacking its natural allies.
We should work together as a global order to uplift everyone.
With that said, there should be sanctions on the US for the shit they're doing right now, and Israel too of course. For the same reasons. International law doesn't mean anything if it's just might is right.
I have principles, imperialist; I'm not the one advocating for the West to ignore international law and national sovereignty. "The West should impose it's tyrannical will on the global South" is not a principle, it's just chauvanism.
"International law is when the West gets to ignore international law."
Damn, you sure dropped your pretense off caring about international law real fast.
"The UN should have done what western chauvanists want it to!"
Ok, so again, you don't give a shit about international law, you just want the West to enforce it's will. Notice how you don't suggest the UN should "liberate" (read: destroy) the actual worst abusers in the world, Israel and the US, just their enemies. The US occupying Afghanistan is fine, but the UN should only intervene if they leave, apparently.
Fuck you; your nations are infinitely worse.
"How dare Iran attack our military bases when we use them to launch an illegal war of aggression against them!"
Fuck off. Iran is following international law, you aren't.
Uplift yourself you bloodthirsty savages. This is just warmed over colonialist arguments from the 1800s.
You mean the UN should be invading them to institute regime change right? Just as it should be doing for all the EU countries backing the most brutal genocide of the century? Oh no, of course not. You only believe the West has that right. Because you're a chauvanist who doesn't believe in international law.
It also doesn't mean anything when it's just a way for white supremacist westerners like you to justify brutally dominating the rest of the world.
@TokenBoomer@lemmy.world l, seriously, why do we have to have this imperialist trash here?
Chill. Iran funds proxy militias. That's not a violation of international law?
Everyone's fucking ignoring international law in the name of whatever selfish ideology. If you're going to assume my call for a principled approach to international foreign policy is just an excuse for the evils I want to solve... Well fuck mate. Let's just forget about giving any kinds of shit about anyone but ourselves.
Is that the world you want to live in?
No, fuck you. People shouldn't be "chill" in the face of mass slaughter.
No. It isn't. And you were literally advocating for the funding of militias in Iran. Again, you don't give a shit about international law. You certainly aren't advocating for invading and overthrowing every nation that funds foreign military groups.
No. You are, and you're justifying it to yourself by assuming everyone else does it.
You're not calling for a principled approach to international foreign policy. You're calling for western domination of the global South.
Mate, that's the world you're advocating for, chauvanist prick. I'm advocating for a world where imperialist crackers are actually bound by the same international law as the rest of us.
You're being so unnecessarily abrasive and insulting. You're totally misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I'm saying. This is a waste of time.
I'm happy you're passionate. I'm not your enemy. We both probably vote progressive. If you want to have a conversation take a step back and actually read what I wrote.
I'm asking for a coalition of likeminded nations to work together to topple oppressive regimes - call it the UN and include everyone. Ideally, do it non-militarily, but militarily if necessary.
That's what Iran needs and wants. Not whatever the fuck Israel and the US are doing on their own. That's wrong, and it's going to end badly for everyone. On that I hope we can agree.
I've witnessed too much horror at this point to care about the being civil with imperialist.
No, I'm just cutting through the euphemism and double standards. It's only a waste of time because you hold your beliefs as a matter of faith and will never reexamine them.
Yes you are.
So you don't vote Democrat?
I read it. Read it well enough to understand what you were saying.
So, Western imperialism. Because, let's be honest, you sure as hell aren't calling for a coalition of China, Russia, and India to common carpet bomb Germany. Or Sudan, Burkina Faso, and South Africa to bomb South Korea. You're just talking about western countries and their vessels overthrowing anyone not bowing to control by billionaire pedophiles. Hell. You couldn't even bring yourself for the overthrow of the most insane and evil country on the planet, Israel. Just "sanctions"
Except for the countries you want to overthrow, of course.
Western chauvanists just love to tell other people what they want and need, all while reducing them to an undifferentiated hive mind with no diversity of thought themselves. You're a white supremacist, with no interest in letting the untermensch speak make their own decisions.
How is what the US and Israel are doing any different from what you propose?
No, because your only objection to it seems to be procedural: that they're doing a sloppy job of it. You've already said that you want the Epstein coalition to act as world police.
Again, you're assuming shit that isn't true. I want China, Russia, and India to be as much part of global order as anyone else. I am literally wanting everyone to be subject to the same principle structure on the world stage. That is all.
If your argument is in practice it won't work and the biggest powers will always circumvent the rules or shape right and wrong in their own image, so sorry but we'll never get along, let's fight wars forever... Well that may be reality, and the world we're living in. That's not the world I want.
I'm not American, and I vote for a party most Americans would consider far left, woke, etc. I want a world with open borders multiculturalism, universal human rights and welfare, universal education and healthcare, and so on.
How about you, Mr enemy. What does a better world look like to you, and how are the levers of power wielded?
The UN has no executive power. You will still rely on countries with all type of bad motivations that do not serve the iranian population
Who grants executive power? Because it should be able to act military upon resolution from its members if it cannot already. Economic contribution could determine voting weight, and veto rules need to stop single powers blocking resolutions. Veto should either be unanimous among the biggest powers or similarly a collective of the smaller/medium powers.
The goal is for there to be a democratic vote, preferably with proportional voting and protection of voters (so no intimidation). Then mechanisms to support and defend the new government whole it establishes its various mechanisms for decision making. All UN countries required to contribute proportionally according to their economic status.
I know this isn't reality. But this or something like it should be.
So a one world government dominated by the West that countries are forced to submit themselves to.
No. Obviously not. Sigh.
That's what you described
Go back to reddit