Ethnic Minorities and People of Color
Official Title of this Community: Ethnic Minorities and People of Color
Why is the title different?
We like to have fun here.
What is this place? A safe space for underrepresented peoples and peoples of color to talk, chill, and vibe.
What are the basic rules of the community?
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Follow Lemmy TOS and Community Guidelines. Non negotiable. This is the bedrock and mods will make decisions with this always in mind.
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This community is for ethnic minorities and people of color. This is a safe space where such people can freely discuss their struggles, insight, and thoughts without fear. If you are not, we respectfully ask you do not post or comment here. A future community will be established to allow for racial discussions with a mixed userbase. However, remember, comments here must still respect Lemmy TOS and Community Guidelines.
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Irony Racism is still racism. Racism is bad m'kay? We will treat irony racism and bad faith racist satire as racism. Will wield the ban hammer accordingly.
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No sectarianism: This is an identity channel not a channel for you all to complain about why XYZ isn't the "one true leftism". Take that to another place.
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Stupidpol is not allowed. Stupidpol is class reductionist. We are an identity community. Thinking like stupidpol ignores the struggles of the oppressed, their voices, and their need for unique support. Nothing says oppression more than someone saying that the identity you have is "not real" and that if you only thought like them you'd see what your "real" identity is. Mods reserve the right to ban users and content who promote stupidpol, stupidpol memes, and other class reductionist thinking.
FAQ
I don't look XYZ and/or sometimes I can pass as white so I don't know if I can post here. Can I?
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This place is for ethnic minorities and people of color. This includes those of mixed heritage and those who may be "white" but are of an ethnicity that is a minority in their area (i.e. Kurds, etc) If you've experienced oppression due to your identity that is not based on sexual / gender identification, you are welcome here.
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Moreover, for our American audience, we have people from around the world who are "white" but are oppressed due to being a minority in their country. They are and should be welcomed here.
What can I post?
- Anything you think is relevant to the mission of this community. Things will evolve over time.
- Topics and things relevant to EM and POC.
Suggested Posts
- [People of Spice]: Food recipes so others can taste your culture
- [Theory]: Vid/podcasts/websites discussing issues relevant to identity, anti-imperialism, etc
- [News]: Vids/podcasts/websites that talk about current events relevant to EM and POC
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I knew the tourettes thread would piss me off. Why do white people think we don't know how disability works just because we want accountability for a slur? We know it's not intentional, it's still harmful fo fuck sake, if it were any other word we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
It reads as white people get so excited to give a gotcha to Black people
biggest example is Kanye West, him being disabled and saying he was didn't stop anyone from calling him out on being anti semitic.
edit: not being an apologist for a black capitalist, but comparing the reaction.
I knew that thread would be a complete shitshow lmao
"B-b-b-but he can't control himself saying the n-word. Quit being ableist!"
Immediate L for attending a pretentious circlejerk called an awards ceremony instead of refusing to go like a normal person.
Imagine being cramped into an enclosed space with not a single person wearing a goddamn mask. So much for caring about disabled people. I guess it's only people with particular disabilities that are worth considering like people compulsively saying the n-word in front of Black people.
If his compulsion was so bad that he cannot guarantee not saying slurs in front of marginalized people, then he should have the awareness to excuse himself whenever a person from a marginalized community is on stage. Nobody's stopping him from timing his bathroom breaks whenever a racial minority or a visibly queer person or someone wearing a hijab is on stage.
I feel so bad for Lindo and Jordan. What should've been a highlight of their acting careers gets completely overshadowed by this racist bullshit.
Imagine if the dude had said "free Palestine" instead. Not a single shred of evidence of his existence would appear in the broadcast and he would've been barred from attending any future events for life.
Shows you how they don't give a shit about his disability, either. They could have made accommodations for him where he can still participate without disrupting the event. I'm sure they have box seats they could have given him, but didn't because those are reserved for only the wealthiest audience members.
Normal people: yeah I feel bad for this guy and his disability but I can also acknowledge how saying a racial slur to two black people is harmful and should not be tolerated
white lefties on hexbear: OMG YOURE ABLEIST HOW DARE YOU THAT POOR WHITE MAN SIT DOWN YOU UPPITY MINORITIES ALSO YOU ONLY CALLED ME A CRACKER CAUSE YOU WANTED TO CALL ME AN ACTUAL SLUR LMAO OWNED
I probably should have deleted that thread, but I was genuinely curious what people's takes on it where going to be, given I myself am neurodivergent and I thought there could be a good discussion about how to deal with racism and mental illness. Yeah it looks like that went nowhere. Personally I still feel like it was a shitty difficult situation, he should have apologized to those actors, imo. Anyway it was not my intent to inflame.
You're not at fault here. I commented on the thread in hopes there would be some inkling understanding given to Black folk especially as they were the one's aggrieved. I can have empathy to Jon for having the disability and I'm sure it's not easy but we're talking about 2 Black men having the N word said to them- knowing it's unintentional but it still happened. They were clearly shocked.
I didn't even say Jon was racist- I don't know if anyone did- just there is no context where saying a slur can be accepted without acknowledging the danger behind it. It's strange the slur is only said to Black folk-not saying it's intentional still, but how are we as Black people supposed to take that?
Yeah I come back to he should have apologized about it. Given they know his condition, I'm sure they would have been understanding.
I was just banned from that community for pointing out in that thread some basic goddamn facts about intent =/= impact when it comes to hurling slurs at Black people and that comparing Black people injured by racial abuse to Gusanos (of all fuckin things) is some real messed up shit
lmao I really convinced myself they knew better and progress on this site was locked in, my mistake, this place is simply another minefield and it can blow up in your face at any time
Edit: I just realized the only two comments of mine a mod removed were the ones where I called someone a "cracker" at the end...........lmao I think I just became the first user in the history of this site to be banned for using the word cracker
At least that's partially the reason for my ban considering my other comments challenging the bullshit in that thread weren't touched
You were right on the money about this cracKKKer-infested site not being safe for POC and they instead went full
just to prove you right ten times over
Somehow the comment comparing black people having a legitimate gripe to gusanos is still up while the original comment they were replying to was deleted for ableism even though it was mostly critiquing how the situation was handled and specifically said that disability shouldn't be used to shield critique of racism. I'm almost 100% sure that the same has been said about using disability as a shield for misogyny and queerphobia on here and those past comments were never moderated like that.
This is why I stopped putting energy into caring about the cries of white women and white queer people. I know damn well that they would never give Black people the same energy. Obviously, I'm not saying any of their struggles on the basis of gender and/or sexuality are warranted, but it baffles me how selfish and unempathetic they can be. White women treat Black women like shit and white queer people treat Black queer people like shit, only to expect everyone to have a pity party over their particular struggles, and guess what? In so-called "leftist" spaces, they DO always get said pity parties. This could especially be said about white women because performative cishet male leftists love to pretend to give a fuck about feminism because they hope to gain something from it. I always remind myself that the same white women who (rightfully) get annoyed at deflections like "not all men" are just as willing to say "not all white women" when a Black woman calls out their bullshit, and that reminder makes it easy for me to focus on shit that actually pertains to my people and anti-imperialist struggles. I have limited energy, so that energy is gonna be Black energy.
I saw that in the modlogs! Absolutely unacceptable.
"Silly minority, it's abelist to feel racism by this"
And the obnoxious condescension just dripping off that mod "it's been explained to you" as if the fact the man has Tourettes somehow negates the fact he hurled racist abuse at Black people that night, a literal inability to tell the difference between intent and impact, genuine harm (suffered by the cast of Sinners) and mere embarrassment (Davidson) that's negated through white sympathy
But apparently I'm the one who needs to be explained to, fuckin clowns
Where was the thread?
https://hexbear.net/post/7750273
White leftists are a lost cause.
All this proves to me is that cracKKKers can NEVER be meaningful allies to POC
I feel like that point was missed entirely. A lot of the other inappropriate moments that he's had that were described in that thread were directed at individuals (him saying fuck the queen to the queen for example), but a slur carries a greater weight because it's no just an insult hurled at an individual, its an entire group of people based on the color of their skin with historical ties to their societal oppression.
Like why would I care he said fuck you to the queen? I'm not the queen, no one is. I care about the slur. I don't care if he meant it or not-and that's not even important, I care about the impact.
White people see us wanting an apology as an apology for being disabled and not an apology for the slur meaning in their heads they think we're in this post racial world where slurs don't matter anymore.
if my body had spasms where I unpredictably punch people, even if I informed about it you it'd still hurt you. Racial slurs aren't different
I remember the story of the Black disabled child who had his nintendo switch taken away by a teacher then started to punch her. Weren't they thinking about putting him to trial as an adult?(could be wrong)
He could help it either and they still demanded punishment.
White leftists cannot be redeemed...