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Proton VPN/mail. It's often recommended as being safe, but I'm not so sure.

It has servers in Israel. Ties to Israel are never a good thing. Palantir, Epstein, etc are tied to Israel, and Israel also is known for its surveillance. It is also true that it's completely legal there for them to access and monitor any and all information that passes through VPNs or networks there.

I'm looking for a safe alternative that's privacy-conscious and isn't linked to Israel. Both mail and vpn (it's fine if they're separate). Please let me know if you guys know.

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[–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 32 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Having servers in Israel means you are materially tied to them now? Making this jump to liken it to Epstein or Palantir is kinda wild imo

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Having servers in Israel means you are materially tied to them now?

Yes, absolutely. Profiting from servers under genocidal control is literally being materially tied to genocide.

[–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Like I hear what you're saying. I'm on the fuck Israel train as much as everyone but how does them hosting servers in that region support genocide? Are they giving money to the Israeli government? Defending the IDF?

Like there is McDonald's in Israel does that mean McDonald's is complicit in genocide? (I actually don't know if they give money to support Israel but my point is more broad than that and might be a bad example)

Edit: Also for the McD's example I guess they make money off of Israelis but I still posit that is different to a large degree with being complicit in genocide.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

Remember me of a guy who said that being paid by the CIA doesnt mean youre actually working for the CIA.

[–] Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com -4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Would you buy a volkswagen in the 1940s?

[–] Shabby4582@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Could you explain why this is the same?

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

In one case you have a company tied to a nazi regime, in the other case you have a company tied to a nazi regime. Hope this helps

[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Proton has servers in 127 countries, including Cuba, Russia, Venezuela... do they all count as ties?

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, but afaik they are not nazis nor are involved in the kind of genocidal actions israel is

[–] PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Proton has servers in both Russia and Ukraine, and neither means Proton has ties with their governments. If you want to expand an Israel boycott to anyone doing business with any company from Israel then ok, but the word "ties" seems to imply some involvement or complicity with a government/regime/ideology, like they are connected to anything said place is doing.