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Proton VPN/mail. It's often recommended as being safe, but I'm not so sure.

It has servers in Israel. Ties to Israel are never a good thing. Palantir, Epstein, etc are tied to Israel, and Israel also is known for its surveillance. It is also true that it's completely legal there for them to access and monitor any and all information that passes through VPNs or networks there.

I'm looking for a safe alternative that's privacy-conscious and isn't linked to Israel. Both mail and vpn (it's fine if they're separate). Please let me know if you guys know.

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[–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Having servers in Israel means you are materially tied to them now? Making this jump to liken it to Epstein or Palantir is kinda wild imo

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 hour ago

Remember me of a guy who said that being paid by the CIA doesnt mean youre actually working for the CIA.

[–] Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Would you buy a volkswagen in the 1940s?

[–] Shabby4582@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Could you explain why this is the same?

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 hour ago

In one case you have a company tied to a nazi regime, in the other case you have a company tied to a nazi regime. Hope this helps

[–] Egonallanon@feddit.uk 13 points 2 hours ago

Do you have information on proton's Israel links? I know they used radware several years ago but no longer do.

[–] Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 hours ago

I have my issues with proton because of its CEO and some weird decisions for their product lone and don't use them at all. I.e. I won't defend this company.

Such a claim without source and explanation or interpretation of assumed implications are pure fear mongering.

Because of this: my advice is to decouple your privacy concerns and thoughts from politics in the first degree (rhetoric and hearsay). Base it ok policies, observable behavior, audits, laws and so on..your example: exit nodes for VPNs don't have an impact on security at all in neither direction. Hosting infrastructure there would (i.e. it would increase potential access and put the infrastructure under additional legal requirements).

[–] Concur6053@lemmy.today 12 points 2 hours ago
[–] Shabby4582@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

You have the ability to whip up this BS about proton, but a web search for “private email provider” was too much?

[–] tyrant@lemmy.world 2 points 43 minutes ago

I'm a big fan of mullvad