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It can't do the literal entire thing an operating system is supposed to do: manage applications and their resulting windows, in a sensible way.

I want to know what application is running.

Sure it's in the dock!

I want to find a specific application window.

Go fuck yourself right to hell.

Wait, the taskbar doesn't show the running windows, like it does on every other OS? It's at least discrete right?

It discretely takes up 1.5cm of the bottom of the screen at all times. It's so discrete it doesn't even need to use the corners.

Uh, alright, well that's all the system space you need right?

Yeah of course just that bottom inch or so .... And a top of screen system level menu bar to display what windows does in the bottom corners.

/sigh/ ok, fine, I just want to be able to full screen a window and still see what else is open.

Burn in hell and die.

I want to be able to easily switch left and right between open windows.

Go full screen or I will shoot you.

I want to move an open window into the other monitor.

You can't because you're full screen dumbass.

I want to let a window present a popup like they normally do.

You can't because youre full screen dumbass. Why would you be full screen?

I want an application like Slack to be able to popup and remove notifications when is appropriate.

Choose to have every single notification persists on screen until you manually remove it, or miss all your notifications.

Can't we trouble you for something in between, where we trust an application and let it manage them in a way that makes sense based on their context?

You can trouble me for something in between these cheeks, shit stain.

Like honestly, I fucking hate what an advertising and AI filled mess Windows is, but it can actually manage your windows and virtual desktops in a way that makes a modicum of sense.

It feels like a single Apple product manager decided that the way that they use their computer (a single application at a time, no windows to manage) is the only way anyone does, so who cares if we implement a nonsensical full screen paradigm, it makes one tiny niche edge case slightly simpler.

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[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If I close all documents I don't want the app running. It takes up visual space in the dock making it more cluttered and it takes up more RAM or swap space that I'd rather have allocated to things I'm doing than to things I've told the computer I'm not doing.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Understandable, but it's just not how macOS works; it's an intentional paradigm. I guess the use case is "dealing with documents", opening, editing, closing, in repetition.

But closing the application and all its open documents in one go also has a common UX pattern: Command+Q. So if that's what you really want, do that instead of closing windows/documents.

It's just a very simple matter of making happen what you want to happen instead of not doing that. 🤷‍♂️

With all this said, I don't think macOS is a good operating system. It's very well thought out and very cohesive and very nice looking, great for beginners. But it's just not practical for me. The window management is clumsy and lacks a lot of features, I don't like how applications are installed (or uninstalled; sometimes packages can't be easily uninstalled), and I don't like how the hardware will just not support the latest operating system after a while.

With Linux, I can just keep going and upgrade the system in perpetuity and it'll just keep going.

I also find tiling managers are good, but after about 15 years with i3 I've committed myself to Niri. It's so good. A whole new paradigm that fits my mental model very well.

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If I close all documents I don’t want the app running.

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why not? Sounds reasonable to some extent.

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

In what way does that sound reasonable? If you want to quit the application, the reasonable thing to do is to quit the application, not to do something else instead expecting it to somehow lead to quitting the application in some roundabout way.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's an obvious expectation when that's how other operating systems behave. 🤷‍♂️ Not sure how to explain it to you in another way.

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

But that claim is simply not true. The by far most popular application I have access to right now is Microsoft Word 2007 for Windows and just to verify that I'm not being delusional I tried opening it, created a few documents, then closed all the documents and, lo and behold, that didn't quit the application. To me this is perfectly normal and reasonable behaviour, and considering the incredible popularity of Microsoft Word this must be well-known behaviour to loads of other people too.

For comparison, LibreOffice Writer for Linux also behaves in exactly the same way, closing all documents doesn't quit that application either. (But as the Linux world is notorius for not standardizing anything, closing the last tab of Google Chrome for Linux does quit the application, which I myself find utterly annoying, as it requires always opening a new blank tab before closing the last tab for the application not to quit. Google Chrome for macOS thankfully doesn't do that.)

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Only certain programs do this though. On Linux, Libre Office does indeed work like on other platforms, but these types of applications are rare on Windows and Linux, IME. Other applications close when the last document closes, like PDF reader, image viewer, video player, etc. Just because a few act like on Mac because it makes sense for their use case doesn't mean it's the common paradigm.

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You cannot possibly call Microsoft Word "rare".

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not rare in that sense, you've misunderstood. I'm saying that there are rare instances of programs where a program is left running when all its windows and/or documents are closed. Not that Word is a rarely-used piece of software. 👍

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And I'm saying that your claim of "an obvious expectation when that’s how other operating systems behave" simply isn't true, as exemplified by probably the most popular and widely used desktop application ever.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's true but for a few exceptions. 🤷‍♂️ Are you a Mac user mainly? I feel like that might be the case here?

[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I myself use mostly Linux, where UI behavior is mostly random (see LibreOffice vs. Chrome above).

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Maybe we use different software in our daily use cases but I don't think I use a single program that has a concept of "documents" or "tabs" or similar, that doesn't quit the process when the last window or document has been closed. Also programs that are like one instance of the program per document is also common among the software I use.

🤷‍♂️ I can't name a single one I use that has the process open after the last window is gone. I don't use word processing stuff etc.

Some programs I've set specifically to minimize to the tray after closing their single-instance window, so that they won't exit, e.g. Discord, Steam, Spotify. Stuff like that. But they also don't use a documents paradigm at all so I don't know if they count.