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Under no other president did I fear for the lives of so many Americans.
At work, we used to talk about dumb shit. Who brought M&Ms or cupcakes. How some random movie ended.
Now, some of my coworkers are terrified. We had a incident where some masked goons rushed up on a random woman and when we all came out, they ran away.
Our manager openly said, "None of them are allowed in the building." And during the worse of it, my manager brought a shotgun.
Average office workers are arming themselves.
This is what this orange motherfucker did.
I'm amazed more people aren't standing their ground (opening fire) when masked goons jump out of an unmarked car and try to kidnap someone. So much for all that second amendment peacocking eh
Anyone talking about action against ICE agents has lost the plot. ICE is the symptom, not the disease. You don't treat tuberculosis by targeting the coughing with Robitussin. You treat tuberculosis by targeting the bacteria with antibiotics. Address the cause of the problem, not the effect.
The person you need to be registering your complaint with is your local oligarch. Any action you want to take toward ICE, redirect it to the richest person within driving distance.
Because they're not out in force in places where a high percentage of people carry.
When they raided Chicago ICE specifically stayed away from the really bad parts because they didn’t wanna get shot.
Exactly. This is also why they have targeted schools, daycares, and other spaces they know they’re less likely to encounter strong resistance.
Also exactly why they don’t go to red states with lax gun laws, among other reasons.
This is the correct answer. They're hitting blue cities where it's mainly left leaning people who are anti-gun. Why hit a 2a strong hold if you're probably going to meet force. They'll kill for the paycheck, but they don't want to die for it.
Plus most people have no combat training. I can handle aggressive drivers no problem. If masked thugs rush me with drawn weapons, I will very effectively shit myself at best, run hard at worst
People just don't want to be involved, and I'm not going to judge them for that.
As in, I have a wife and 2 young kids. My purpose in life is to care for and support them. If I'm at work or whatever and some goons show up to abduct someone I don't know, I'm not going to start blasting and go down in a blaze of glory because of an ideological position.
I have a very small family, including people who are in very vulnerable groups that MAGA hates. Right now, I have to mind my manners, because they rely on me. But if ANYTHING were to happen to those people, I would have nothing left to lose, and I would become very dangerous indeed.
And I'm not going down in a blaze of glory either. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and I would be far more calculated and surgical.
If you or your wife/kids were being abducted and sent to the camps, would you be happy knowing everyone else stood by not wanting to get involved?
I get being scared, but inaction is destroying countless families. If everyone stands together, the risk factor goes down.
The comment i replied to is advocating shooting at ICE goons.
Have you shot any of them recently?
Put your dick away mate.
Actually I wasn't advocating for shit. I was merely observing that this is the literal scenario you guys stated you needed your emotional support weapons for, and how I'm surprised no one is using them.
Makes sense that they're targeting less gun-prone areas, but still, there's gotta be some percentage of carry-ers outside of NY no?
I agree with (Edit:~~the commenter~~)Aussie though; I'll post the full quote here so maybe even one more person sees it and internalizes it. Link to the Holocaust Encyclopedia
Sure ok, but my explanation as to why people aren't shooting at ICE agents remains the same.
The "they came for" quote is emotive, but a great many people are indeed "speaking out", and taking action in non-violent ways.
Quite obviously, people aren't shooting at ICE because they don't want to get shot.
And if you don't resist, they'll kill you anyway. Now what?
Not necessarily. There's loads of ways to resist without getting myself shot.
The truth is there would be more incidents of people fighting back if all the people here actually stood by what they say.
Notice how there isn't. Talk is cheap and this place proves it.
The truth is- youre exactly right. People don't stupidly sacrifice themselves knowing there is no popular pushback. And at this moment there is not that popular notion that things need to be overturned.
An ideological position like democracy, freedom and liberty? This is why the US is where it is. Those things don't come from nothing. They come from people willing to fight for them.
The second amendment people are absolutely on the side of Trump. They are more likely to shoot people who try to stop ICE than anything else.
We have more guns in the US than every single US citizen and we have lost more lives to gun violence than every war we have ever fought combined.
Guns don't solve our problems. It truly takes an idiot to believe they do.
JFC
I mean, were you around during the Cuban missile crisis?
I'd be willing to bet quite a lot of money, maybe my mortgage, that the majority of Lemmy users, in fact, weren't around during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
They made an observation of their own experiences, that's not a statement anyone can disagree with.
Gotta develop a more historical outlook or you're doomed to repeat historical mistakes.