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Disclaimer: I don’t want this to come across as downplaying the suffering of the victims, or the horrific nature of the crimes.

That being said, I think Epstein is becoming an obsession for people that is pointless, doesn’t advance the left wing movement, and is borderline unhealthy to be honest.

People on this site and beyond are doing borderline Q-Anon level baking, using random scraps from documents and making extremely tenuous connections. This shit is unhealthy, obsessing over it and staring into the abyss of depravity is just going to cause yourself psychic damage, and for what? It’s borne out of the same thing as all conspiracism: a feeling of powerlessness, a feeling that by uncovering the mystery, doing this “investigation”, finding some hidden truth, you are doing something tangible rather than just obsessing and suffering on the internet.

This isn’t to say I don’t think all things are on the table - “he was mossad”, “this or that person was involved”, “what if he’s still alive?”. But ask yourself, what changes? What changes if any of this is true? Are any of us shocked or surprised by 99% of the names dredged up? These are all people that we already consider ontologically evil for numerous other crimes and their class position. We already know that there are 10,000 ultra powerful, ultra wealthy people who control the world, who act with impunity, who are all interconnected and who all have bourgeois class solidarity that the workers can only dream of at this stage.

And what tactical or strategic advantage is offered to working class movements we are involved in by uncovering this hidden truth? We currently have no power to punish the guilty or prevent it from happening again. Epstein himself is likely dead, most of the people mentioned are dead, or ancient and on their way out. Should we be forming pressure groups and protesting our governments to thoroughly investigate and punish the guilty? If half of what is in the files is true, our governments are riddled with people who are complicit if not actively involved.

So what is the route by which the people’s justice can be served? The same as always - the working class needs to win political power. Our time is better served thinking about how we can advance the ball on concrete issues, work with our irl organisations to build working class power. I think driving ourselves mad on the internet and expanding so much mental energy tying red string between random names and events on our mental corkboards is deleterious to this mission.

Now, I’m open to the idea that using the Epstein angle in propaganda to disillusion workers of billionaires and capitalism could be useful, but that doesn’t require more than a cursory knowledge of the situation, knowledge we’ve all had for 6 years at this point.

As marxists we shouldn’t be hyperfixating on Epstein as the keystone of everything “evil” on earth. We have a class analysis and an understanding of the system superseding the role of the individual. Things such as “epstein was working for Mossad” - ok, that may well be true, but does it change our analysis of Israel? Does it affect how we view the settler-colonial relationship? Could it possibly make them any more morally bankrupt than the genocide we’ve been watching for 2.5 years? Than a century of ethnic cleansing?

I get this feeling that doesn’t sit well with me, that this is becoming some grotesque spectacle of “true crime”, motivated by an inability to look away, by the conspiratorial powerlessness I mentioned above, and by the same instincts that make endless podcast series and TV shows about gruesome murders eternally popular. And it is taking up so much oxygen on the left - ffs, the United States is about to try and topple its second government in a month and everyone is too busy combing through the epstein files to see if the-democrat or the-republican are in there.

Tl;dr: don’t drive yourself insane trying to know the unknowable, focus on the concrete, focus on things you can change, advance the ball!

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[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Why is that so unrealistic to you? We know a lot of shady stuff happened around the time Epstein "killed himself". The general vibe has been that he got merced, but why would it be so unrealistic that he got zipped out instead?

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Sure, it could have happened. The entire thrust of my post is that it doesn’t materially change anything whether he’s alive, dead, murdered, suicide - and unless the working class takes power nobody will ever know. So why bother being concerned about it when there are more pressing matters to expend time and mental energy on.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Materially nothing changes when we die either, but I still care

edit: Caring about wether he's dead or not is different from finding the speculation itself deranged though. Why do you find it so unreasonable to think he's alive?

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I’m not getting into a back and forth argument about whether epstein is dead or alive because I think it’s a total waste of time. Occam’s razor: he is dead, so alternative theories have the burden of proof on them and are outside the average person’s perspective on this event. Hence, “out there”.

Edit: as an aside, “proof” in general is a huge issue with epstein baking. 90% of what we have is borderline hearsay or “these rich powerful people emailed each other once”. That’s the same level of evidence pizzagate had.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago)

That's not how Occam's razor works. I'm not asking you to get into a back and forth about his state of being. I was asking you why you considered it so "out there" to be having a discussion on if he might be alive, considering all the stuff we do know about the day he "killed himself" and the general consensus that whatever happened, it wasn't suicide.

As to your edit I haven't mentioned proof as far as I can see?
You're being too vague for me with regards to the "baking". I've only seen people post/discuss extended correspondence or singular correspondence in the case of Norman Finkelstein.
I'm the only one who has done any "baking" that approaches what I think you're talking about, by sharing an article of Bjorn Lomborg denying further relations to Epstein. Considering who Lomborg is connected to, his material interestes and the general pattern of academics of his type and class meeting up with Epstein "just one time" for "a simple dinner" due to his "philantropic work" I felt like it was a pretty rational thing to find suspicious and worth of sharing.