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Too bad. He’s been a pretty good governor. Especially there for Minnesotans when they need him.
Get Jesse Ventura back, he's been threatening to return to governor. Get him before he becomes too old.
Yes. Long live the gerontocracy.
Are we witnessing two different timelines? Walz has done nothing but finger wag.
Say, friend, I realize that there's this streak of magical thinking a mile wide through American culture. It's rampant in our stories. The kicker can make a 60-yard field goal, if he Wants It Badly Enough. Some dude can levitate his spacecraft out of the swamp, if he Wants It Badly Enough. A couple of local boys can jump their car over the river, if they Want It Badly Enough. The bumbling sheriff cannot, because he doesn't Want It Badly Enough.
So is the idea here is that Tim Walz could do something about it, if he only Wanted It Badly Enough? Unfortunately, this is not a movie. He can't drive them off by sheer force of will. What should he do about it? Grab Paul Bunyon's axe from the state warehouse where it's stored, and charge through the streets of Minneapolis brandishing it? Anything he could do boils down to one of two things: Talk (executive orders, legislation, telephone calls to [REDACTED]), or direct, physical action. The former, you dismiss as finger wagging, and the latter would be met with overwhelming retaliation, getting a lot of people hurt or killed.
In his place, what "something" would you do, that would actually work and not make things worse?
Call them pedophiles. Charge the ICE shooters with murder immediately. Deploy the national guard with the directive to protect citizens from ICE. And harass the administration with lawsuits.
All of these actions would be effective. All of these actions would be supported by the people he represents. This would, unironically, catapult him into international stardom.
Minnesota prosecutors would like to press charges, but the regime is protecting Ross; it hasn't identified the agents who shot Pretti, and is obstructing MN investigators. Over here in Wisconsin, we have John Doe proceedings for starting a case without knowing the identity of the defendant, but the reason that's useful is to use the court's powers to investigate. In this instance if Minnesota has a similar law, it'd just get a case on the books which couldn't go anywhere because investigation already is stymied.
Walz has mobilized the National Guard to protect Minnestotans from ICE. However, it's a fine line, because the NG can be federalized, and anything too aggressive he might do would just see them taken out of his control. Nevermind possibly kicking off the second civil war.
And, Minnesota has filed lawsuits. So that's three out of four of those things that Walz has already done, to the extent possible. Calling them pedophiles sounds like finger wagging. But maybe it'd all work if he Wanted It Badly Enough?
Jonathan Ross should have been captured as soon as he was identified. Yeah, no shit it's difficult to get him now.
Wow. The regime hasn't done that? That's crazy.
You know, just taking this at face value, I would rather the case be on the books. Getting Democrats to put anything on the books is the first goddamn hurdle, so I'd like to get that out of the way right now.
He has mobilized them to be nearby. Granted, better than nothing, but this is no aura-farming moment. He is not mounting a resistance.
With how often Walz insists the protests must remain peaceful, and with no indication that he understands the implicit threat of a protest nor where things are going if ICE keeps agitating, my bet, honestly, is that the NG will be utilized to suppress civilian rowdiness, not to protect them. And no, no federalization will be necessary, he will do this himself.
Such as?
Bear in mind, if I were in Walz' position, I would be screaming in press conferences about every lawsuit I was filing every second of every day, but please, inform me.
Yeah, so it's weird that he's not doing it, huh? Actually, it's weird the DNC as a whole doesn't say anything about it. It's not a lie, after all. The American people has a burning, ferocious, violent, seething hatred for Trump—I for one call him a fat fucking pedophile every time I wake up; it's the first thing I say to my wife—and yet that's somehow not reflected in their representatives. Representatives who would rather say things like "let's abolish this version of ICE."
I don't think you have to worry about a civil war, man. The DNC will roll over and 'stay' for their little dog treats no matter how many of us are abducted into Alligator Alcatraz.
Ross was spirited away from the scene and hidden away immediately, like before his gun cooled down. There was no opportunity for any MN officials to act.
As for lawsuits, a news search for "Minnesota lawsuit" turns up lots of stories, like this one which talks about the one Ellison filed on the 12th to end the invasion. Courts are slow; they can't keep up with events on the ground.
Lastly, the DNC is pretty much irrelevant these days. It's not a surprise; folks here on the Threadiverse have told me that the Democrats aren't there to fight for us, and we have to make them do what we want. It's a fascinating and weird mindset, but does appear to be accurate these days. Anyway, this isn't two teams facing off anymore, and the regime is attacking people directly. It doesn't matter if the DNC rolls over, the people of Minneapolis aren't.
Cool post, dork.
Cool enough to make the troll delete their account immediately after this comment...
Amazing work! Another notch in the... computer... desk? Phone case?
He has had more of an impact on my life than any other governor I can think of
Junk fee ban is the first one that comes to mind. It's seemingly small, but impacts so much. I buy things basically every day. Now it's so much more honest
He's also reformed the gig work platforms for both workers and users. Not to mention little things like right to cancel for those platforms
Also recreational weed
Not to mention he has maintained a budget surplus. Basic fiscal responsibility that is unfortunately rare in modern America
But he didn't even implement a Transcendental Post-Capitalist, Non-Hierarchical, Collectivist Socio-Productive, Technologically-Enhanced Communitarian Commonwealth of Inclusive Polycentric Societal praxis... so obviously he did nothing of any really worth.
Tap for spoiler
/sHe did nothing when fascists murdered his constituents. That overshadows everything else to me.
Yeah, that's great. Bare minimum stuff if you ask me. I mean, his constituents are being murdered and he hasn't stopped the people doing it. That's a major faux pas in my book, but if you're willing to overlook that, I guess he was a good governor.
Y’know, the Minnesota FOP issued a statement that they back ICE. Seems like Walz recognizes that from an official standpoint he has limited power, if he tried to (say) tell the state police to arrest ICE agents they may just “not find any” or they might openly defy the order. The MN National Guard may or may not respond but they’re also not really equipped for law enforcement operations.
Fact is, governmental power only works if people are following the law, and a lot of our “law enforcement” at every level in this country sees themselves as above the law. So if a civilian official tells them to do something they want to do, all good. If they’re told to do something that could lead to limitations in their power, they’ll at best refuse, at worst they might just remove the civilian leader in question.
Okay. Say it anyway. Make them defend themselves in public. I would love to hear them explain why they are defying a direct order from the Minnesota state government.
But also, no, the national guard would side with Minnesota civilians.
This. Minneapolis police are a nightmare and I'm not sure what methods have historically worked for fixing that, but I do know that I have friends who live in neighborhoods that MPD won't go to, not because they're dangerous, but because they're near George Floyd square
Curious, but are you from Minnesota?
I'm not, but I am aware he was able to pass legislation giving all kids in his state free lunch. I'd hardly call that nothing.
Also legislation to provide women's sanitary products in schools
That's a good thing. It should not be a major accomplishment. It should be a positive in a myriad of things that the people are asking for.
So, since he hasn't done literally everything that YOU think he should do, or should be doing- he's not a good Governor. I feel terrible for anyone that has to put up with your expectations, because geez. One slip-up and you might kill them.
My expectations: When your constituents are being murdered, you stop the people doing the murdering and charge them with murder.
Okay, so since he hasn't been the one to literally start the second Civil War, he sucks. Got it.
If charging fascists for the murder they commit is wrong, then I don't want to be right.
I'm on the side of the protestors. Just like anyone with a brain. What do you think happens when those fascists get charged? They get pardoned by Trump, and there's nothing we can do about it. You act like the State Troopers would actually arrest ICE agents if Walz told them to. They wouldn't- most of them are on the same team as ICE. You're either intentionally acting naive, or you have no idea of the implications of what you suggest. Neither put you in a good light.
No you're not. You have given up, and for that, you deserve to lose. I don't want you on my team.
They get put in court, a place Trump's administration has been losing.
Further, don't you think it would benefit us to test our limits a bit? Stretch the legs, see how far they go. Every second of every day, Trump is doing something he's "not supposed to do."
If they get put in prison, that's a victory. If they get pardoned, that erodes public trust in the judicial system. Do you think a judicial system that cannot keep nazi corroborators within its prisons is worth respecting?
If they get pardoned, invoke the judicial equivalent of the filibuster. Bury them in paperwork. Lose the goddamn cell keys, I don't care. Make the ICE agent that comes to unlock the cell you won't open slip on a banana, film it, then hold a press conference where you and everyone else laugh at them. Nobody likes Trump. Use that to your advantage.
Damn. Got me. Guess I better join the Nazis /s
Idc if you want me on your team, idiot. We're stuck in this together. So cut your holier-than-thou act, and fuck yourself.
That's not how that works. If they faced murder charges in state court, the president can't pardon them. And don't give me that, "He will do it anyway" bullshit, because without charging them Trump wins no matter what. What are these implications you are talking about?
I hope no one on Lemmy sees me in a bad light. I would be shattered.
Tell that to the January 6thers.
What state did that happen in? What state crimes were they charged with? Last I saw there were 1500 people charged with a federal crime.
And Trump pardoned them
That's what I'm saying. Wtf don't you undertsand?
What do you think a governor's role and powers actually are? It doesn't seem like you have a clue.
Do you need to be from Texas or Florida to think Cruz or Desantis are awful people?
Free lunch is great. They are doing it in other states. If the bare minimum is your high bar, I guess he's a great governor.
If we didn't start somewhere, we'd have nothing. You keep fighting for what you care about, others will do the same.
I can agree with that, however when people are being murdered a good leader takes action. I don't see that here.
Your exact quote was “Walz has done nothing but finger wag”, then someone gives an example of positive legislation he did, and you immediately move the goalposts. Gtfo here with your purity tests.
Enjoy the taste of a nice fascist cock.